A Disturbing Trend

As the professional hate lobby loses battle after battle in their war on gay tights, and they suck less and less money from donors through fearmongering against gay people, I'm seeing a very unsettling but sadly unsurprising trend.

You see, the hate groups won't admit it publicly, (well, most of them, a few have conceded), but they know they've lost this contrived culture war against gays. They still fire volleys but there's no gunpowder left in those shells.

They know that more and more people actually KNOW real gay people. And knowing real actual flesh and blood gay people dispels all the fearmongering bogeyman stories that the Religious Reich likes to spin to scare the fearful and ignorant into giving them money. They know their donor base is either dying off or waking up.

The problem is that these hateful people, who swear they're not bigots while blatantly lying through their teeth about gay people to sow fear, NEED that donor money to survive, because as hateful and dishonest as they are, there's pretty much NO other way for them to have an income that grants them the life they've built on the backs of gay people. They NEED to have a bogeyman, an intangible "other" they can use to terrify the ignorant into paying for their mansions and caviar.

And so, while trans folks have always had to deal with ignorance and hatred, even FROM gay people, the Religious Reich in the United States has heavily ramped up the transphobic bile of late, stirring up more anti-trans fear than ever before, and it's working.

Articles about trans stories like that of Coy Mathis have always attracted ignorant hateful and stupid people to the comments sections. But of late the transphobic bile has multiplied. Where it used to be reasonably balanced in comment sections between the ignorant haters spouting bile and actual trans folks countering them with facts and reality, lately the haters seem to be drowning us out, overwhelming us with sheer numbers and shouting over us to drown us out. The hate is a flood now and it's difficult to not drown in it. 

And it's Religious Reich hatemongrrs like Tony Perkins, Peter Sprigg, Jennifer Roback Morse, Brian Brown, Peter LaBarbara, and Linda Harvey ramping up the whole "Transsexuals are just men in dresses who want to rape your women and children in bathrooms!!!" Meme that has caused this sudden surge in trans hate.

You'll note they almost never discus trans MEN when they spout their bile. Trans men don't even exist in their eyes.

And that makes it even more important now more than ever for us to stand up to these professional bullies, to counter their every lie with the truth, to dissect their dishonest fearmongering with facts and reality.

To show the world we matter as much as anyone else and have every bit as much right as everyone else to be protected from discrimination and abuse under the law. 

No matter how hard it gets, how much bile we have to wade through, how hopeless it often seems, we MUST keep fighting. The Gay lobby isn't going to stick their necks out for us. WE have to fight for our right to exist. 

Because the haters are getting us killed. And we have to disarm their transphobic bile as the gays did their homophobic bile, and render their bigotry impotent and powerless. 

Because the alternative is just rolling over and dying. And that is no alternative at all.

Something to Make You All Laugh (Just Don't Choke On Your Drinks)

Crossposted on Pam's House Blend

From my private messages on FetLife.com, wherein an anti-gay windbag, concerned for my well-being, (you know, that whopper lie these types tell themselves to NOT feel like hateful bigots) decided to try to save me directly rather than keep getting his ass handed to him in the forum he had been posting on.

This began because, like so many, I responded in the forum to his bile by using myself to deflate his "Only two sexes, nature says violating the opposite sex status quo is wrong yadda yadda" crap.

PurrrplePenny
PurrrplePenny 36IS
Surrey, British Columbia
written 1 day ago:

But you are indeed a huge flaming idiot. Having read your bile as it relates to dismissing the lives and loves of my friends here, which of course you insist is not hate or bigotry, (just like all ignorant bleating homophobes do), I'm afraid I must deflate that little bubble you live in.

First of all, there are most certainly NOT only two distinct sexes. I'm living proof of this troll boy. Go look at my pictures. I automatically just by existing prove you're mistaken and speaking out of your ass.

Second, homosexuality is VERY natural. It occurs in THOUSANDS of species, not just humans. It's a population control tool, when there are too damned many of something, Nature makes a small percentage gay, to curb breeding and provide extra care for the excess of offspring.

Third, "Love the sinner hate the sin" is the single biggest bullshit excuse folks like you use to hide your bigotry. Not only can I prove that the Bible is NOT NEARLY so anti-gay as folks like you want to claim, but it's a RELIGIOUS view, and religion, unlike homosexuality, is very much a choice. No one is born Christian, you have to be taught. But all credible research shows it is extremely unlikely that ANYONE chooses to be something so vilified that it risks getting them beaten to death every time they leave the house.

- A happily and very much legally MARRIED LESBIAN.

This got kudos from others in the forum, but he decided to then take it directly to my inbox.

Anon-dom
Anon-dom 49M
Beacon, New York
written 1 day ago:

I assure you that the attempts to justify same-sex sex will always be offensive nonsense.That something occurs in nature does not mean it is not deplorable or appalling.Your birth defect is unfortunate but not nearly as sad as your pretending it isn't.

If you DON'T "hate the sin",you're only PRETENDING to love the sinner...I'm not a religious person,I don't think the Bible is of divine origin,and I'm not advocating beating anyone to death.But to treat homosexual orientation as excusing homosexual activity is no better than telling an alcoholic to keep drinking until he dies...it's abandonment,not acceptance.There AREN'T any excuses for homosexual activity.
PurrrplePenny
PurrrplePenny 36IS
Surrey, British Columbia
written 1 day ago:

Offensive nonsense only to the small-minded and hateful like you dear boy, which thankfully there are fewer and fewer of every generation. Your kind is going the way of the dodo. People who AREN;'T ruled by outdated fear and bigotry accept us just fine. Facts are NOT on your side, the only kind of research that supporets your view is the Paul Cameron kind; discredited and laughed at by all credible research bodies, embraced wilfully by the ignorant.

There is no intrinsic harm in homosexual activity. Harm comes from being careless, same as with hetero sex.

You're still an ignorant deceitful bigot trying to hide your evil behind false compassion. There is nothing wrong with us, but a great deal wrong with you.

You still lose. Tata boyo, yours is a lost argument even before you speak it.
Anon-dom
Anon-dom 49M
Beacon, New York
written 1 day ago:

Trust me,I consider your arguments even weaker than you consider mine.Standards of conduct are not "bigotry",and the growth of a misconception's popularity doesn't make it true.
PurrrplePenny
PurrrplePenny 36IS
Surrey, British Columbia
written 1 day ago:

Oh I know you don't care about facts logic and proven science. I don't care if you don't care, you'll still never be RIGHT, and history will remember people like you in the same vein as Hitler or the KKK. THAT is a fact too. The only standard of conduct being violated is in your shallow tiny brain, the only misconceptions are yours and those like you. The truth is on the side of equality, what you espouse very much is hate and bigotry. Telling yourself you're being compassionate may ease your conscience, if you even have one, but it won't make it any less true that you're a bigot and a troll, and utterly worthless as a human being.

You have fun living in your little bubble of delusion, I garauntee you it will just keep getting smaller.

Toodles!
Anon-dom
Anon-dom 49M
Beacon, New York
written about 19 hours ago:

Facts and logic are on my side,not yours.That you seriously think that desire to engage in irrational behavior (same-sex sex?!) is anything like race,or that right and wrong are "equal",makes your school of thought the worthless one.And however big your "bubble of delusion" grows,it will never be anything else.
PurrrplePenny
PurrrplePenny 36IS
Surrey, British Columbia
written about 17 hours ago:

No dear, facts aren't on your side. I repeat, all reputable scientific and psychiatric agencies, peer-reviewed studies, and legitimate research prove you wrong. The only way to make it appear otherwise is to either cite thoroughly discredited researchers like Paul Cameron and the junk-science they use, or to take one tiny part of legitimate studies and intentionally distort it to make your case. There's a word for that; Lying. No matter what lies you tell, or how much you swear up and down it's the truth, your lies remain lies, and no proven credible research backs your side of the debate. You try to claim gay/lesbian sex is harmful. This is what is called a blanket exaggeration lie. Because SOME gay sex, such as careless unprotected sex, can have harmful results, (guess what? So can hetero sex), those like you will broadly claim ALL gay sex must therefore be harmful. This is another lie disproven by credible science. Gay sex, like straight sex, has equal risks and rewards, and safe sex negates a good chunk of those.

The bottom line is that you very much are a bigot and a troll, spouting disproven anti-gay rhetoric in a pathetic attempt to incite anger in complete strangers over the internet, most likely because your own life is so lacking in redeeming qualities that you're compelled to attack strangers whose private lives cause you absolutely no harm except in your own head, in order to stroke your own ego, and since you don't want to believe you're a bully or a bigot,. you lie even to yourself and cling to the lies you spout as "facts" when they've been repeatedly proven otherwise, and tell yourself you're trying to do a good thing by saving people from something no one needs to be saved FROM.

Canada is national proof that your side's rhetoric is a load of crap. Legal gay marriage has kept OUR economy afloat while yours is in the toilet. NO preachers have been arrested for still calling it sinful, and we've had openly gay soldiers in our military since 1994, and we're STILL the Military 9 times out of 10 that YOUR military calls to bail your asses out.

I know you'll basically stick your fingers in your ears and go LA LA LA at me. Bigots NEVER like admitting they might be wrong. Your arguments are no different than segregation arguments. Wrong is wrong, and no lie you tell, even to yourself, will change the facts.

But just because I know you're too ignorant and bigoted to risk acknowledging the REAL facts and admitting your mistakes won't stop me from utterly destroying your crap with the truth.

You go ahead and keep trying to lie to me if you like, I can outargue you til I die. The truth will NEVER validate YOU.

Toodles loser. That bubble is just going to keep on shrinking.
Anon-dom
Anon-dom 49M
Beacon, New York
new message
written about 17 hours ago:

Anything that tells you what you want to hear about this is nonsense.Browbeating the psychiatric community into giving up on trying to help you means they lose credibility,not that you gain it.Being same-sex makes same-sex sex wrong,just because the species has two sexes.Wrong doesn't have to mean illegal,but it does mean inferior,not "equal".

The comparison to segregation is insulting.Nobody gets up one day and decides,after a lifetime of never doing it,"I'm going to black today".The responsibility to never engage in same-sex sex,however,is equally binding on everyone,there's no exemption because you really want to.

The old rubber-glue line is tiresomely appropriate here...everything you say about my arguments only applies to yours.You're going to keep on claiming validation for your bad habits,and they'll never deserve it.
PurrrplePenny
PurrrplePenny 36IS
Surrey, British Columbia
new message
written less than a minute ago:

Nothing I say about your arguments applies to a single one of mine the boy. That's the beauty of it. I can easily provide peer-reviewed ratified research that backs up my argument, you cannot. So resorting to childish homilies to try (and again as always, FAIL) to deflate my arguments because you cannot EVER refute them using any real studies, facts or research, only further proves that deep down, YOU know that it's ME who is correct and has won. You have yet to provide me with anything but your own opinion and bigotry to validate your case, and even in that you've failed miserably. You don't give a rat's ass about people like me, and you're not "saving us" from some destructive life that exists only in the fevered minds of bigots. All you're doing is flailing in the wind, hoping if you can shame and guilt-trip us, a few folks with self-esteem issues might go waste thousands of dollars on Ex-Gay therapies that have been proven to never work and that cause serious psychological trauma. No one has bullied any scientific body into recognising our equality and validity, but those on your side frequently tried to bully them into rescinding those statements. Bullying is YOUR side's tactic, not ours. And when your side failed to intimidate valid legitimate institutes, you founded your own fraudulent ones to push your junk science.

There is no lie about homosexuality that you can tell that I cannot refute with truth and fact. You of course will continue to believe your sad old tired lies, because frankly you're a small minded idiot, I don't think you're even capable of opening your mind to truth, the lies are safer for your frail weak mind, more comfortable.

But as I've said, you believing in a proven lie, and repeating that lie ad nauseum to anyone who'll listen, will never make that lie true. I on the other hand just tell the truth, and telling the truth is the best way to defeat pompous lying windbags like you. There certainly is an inferior one here, but it isn't me or mine. Inferior is the mind so afraid of reality it will cling to a lie like a life preserver after your ship has begun to sink under the weight of it's own bullshit dear boy.

The problem with that is that you can only tread water for so long on a lie in the ocean of truth I have to drown you in before you too sink under the weight of your own bullshit.

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No reply since then yet, and he'll be booted off the site pretty soon, as FetLife staff are investigating the myriad of complaints against him for his bile.

The funny thing is that, as his profile on the kink social network reaches his list of his personal kinks and fetishes, it goes into perhaps the longest list I've ever seen of creepy disgusting fetishes, such as forcing his pet to engage in scatology by cleaning him up after bareback anal, and far worse ideas I won't even repeat here.

But of course those are all perfectly normal and healthy in his mind, so long as it's a man and a woman engaging in the literal shit-eating. But gays and lesbians just having normal healthy vanilla sex in a loving relationship? Oh HELL no, not on HIS watch!

I laughed my ass off at him for awhile..... until I realized he's probably Brian Fischer incognito. Or Matt Barber, or Porno Pete LaBarbera. God knows as obsessed as those three are with weird sexual fetishes that all us gays supposedly have, any one of them could be this guy and not blink. One of my FetLife friends posted this lovely message he had sent her.

"I see from your profile that you seem to be engaged in a relationship with another female. I see this all the time and it makes me sad because I know that you and also her have never found a real man that can hold your attention. Since lesbians don't exist and the relationships between the supposedly lesbian women are sexless I assume that you both do this for your protection or something? I'd like to talk further on this so here's my number xxx-xxx-xxxx. I'll anticipate your call soon."

Yeah, I think this MUST be one of the Wonk Triplets. The alternative is to believe there really are more idiots like Fischer, Barber and LaBarbera out there than I thought.

Goddess help us all.

An Open Question To The Extreme Right

Crossposted on Pam's House Blend

Morally bankrupt monsters like Matt Barber, Brian Fischer Maggie Gallagher, Tony Perkins and Peter LaBarbera, to name even just a handful of these deplorable people, have spent the past month at the absolute height of their reprehensible dishonest tactics. They and those like them, the soldiers fighting the evil homuh-seckshual agenda in God's name, (despite not a one of them actually having the first clue what the Bible actually says, using popularly distorted passages to justify their hate-we-swear-isn't-really-hate-honest-now-stop-picking-on-us), have been desperately bleating out excuse after excuse as to why they think there's no blood on their hands when gay or rumoured to be gay teenagers kill themselves.

These brain-hurtingly offensive and morally bankrupt excuses range from simple dishonest bullshit to utterly deplorable backpeddalling and buck-passing. They've blamed equality activists for it, (these confused kids only killed themselves because T3H G4YZ tried to convince them they were *GASP* normal!), and worse, the kids themselves, (These kids really knew deep down how sick and disgusting they were, so that's why they offed themselves!). ANYTHING to avoid accepting even the possibility that the hateful bigotry they bust their asses to spread at every opportunity could possibly be a big factor in the cause of the homophobic bullying these kids endured.All because they're so entrenched in their delusional hate-fuelled belief that being gay is ungodly, unnatural, and serves no positive function to society, that they refuse to ever allow room for debate in their own minds.

Sorry but no, homosexuality is hardly socially useless. It reduces over-rampant hetero breeding that overpopulates a world that CANNOT sustain so many humans, and provides nurturing parental options for all the abandoned children that irresponsible self-absorbed hetero people give up because they had no interest in being parents but couldn't be assed to use condoms.

(That is not a knock against those who are poor or otherwise unable to keep a child they actually do want and give them up for adoption hoping their child has a better life than they can provide. To THOSE people my heart goes out to.)

What, however, truly DOES have absolutely no constructive value to society is hatred, bigotry, homophobia and lying in the name of God. Because these things cause only harm, leading to people being beaten, crippled nd murdered, or young people driven to suicide, because they're different, and for no other reason BUT that.

So here is an open challenge to those liars and killers on the extreme religious right, who very much DO have blood on their hands. I want all of you, especially the extra slimey ones like Porno Pete and Bamm Bamm Barber, to close your eyes, and imagine the following. If you can find any actual morality in your shriveled evil hearts, try to do so with a completely open mind.

Imagine that you have a teenage son, and that son is gay. He of course hasn't told you so because every day he hears your hurtful abusive dishonest anti-gay preaching and he internalizes it. Your son is miserable and unhappy, not because he's gay, but because you make him feel like there's something wrong with him. You make him feel like he's sick somehow, so he does all he can to bury it, hoping it will go away. He dates girls carelessly, fucking girls at random trying to man himself up, to chase the gay away, but with every girl he beds, inside he dies a little, because deep down it's still his football buddies that he thinks about.

But you just keep preaching that gays are sick and unnatural, and your son hates himself even more. And then one day at school, someone spots him looking at a boy for just a few seconds too long, and the rumours start. And because idiots like you keep teaching kids that gay people are diseased and sick, kids at school, with no proof your son IS gay, but based solely on those new rumours, start taunting him, ostracising him, even beating him up after school calling him faggot. And after that harassment and abuse at school he still has to come home to your garbage, reinforcing his feelings of self-loathing, cementing in his mind that he's a worthless deviant. And no matter how hard he tries to be straight, the gay feelings never go away.

And one day you come home from work and you find your son, dead on your kitchen floor after cutting his wrists open, because he felt so sick and worthless and abused that he finally decided being dead was better than living, that suicide was his best option.

All because of the kind of ignorant hate you and those like you spread.

YOUR son. Not someone else's. Not some poor kid you read about in the news and want to evangelize for your pet bigotry causes. YOURS.

YOUR son. This is very important. Imagine it's YOUR son laying there dead, YOUR son who ended his own life.

Don't deflect the question by insisting you'd never have a gay son, or by claiming that it's only gay activists convincing him he's fine as is that would cause him so much turmoil. We both know that's a cop-out, an excuse bigots use to avoid admitting to the harm they cause. Don't whine your bullshit about how your faith is being persecuted, we both know you don't actually have any. Don't sidestep the question by misquoting the bible or by distorting legitimate studies whose authors have publicly chastised you for distorting their work. It's cheap and cowardly and will only further prove your deplorability.

Just go look in the mirror and ask yourself honestly.

If you had a son and that son killed himself directly because the kind of hate you preach made him feel like death was his best option..... could you really live with that? Would you really tell yourself this was what God wanted? Would you accept any blame at all for your part in making him feel so worthless he had no better choice than to die?

Any of you among the Extreme Right who can answer anything except a plain simple "No" best enjoy your empty hate-filled lives while you can, because whenever your time comes, there's only one place your souls are booked for, and it's going to be awfully hot down there.

The Predictable Tactics of Beaten Cowards

Crossposted on Pam's House Blend

UPDATE 2- Louis Marinelli has re-opened his blog, and, to his credit, realized how bad it looked to have wiped out hundreds of comments, especially ones that proved his bigotry and deception, and has replaced every single deleted comment unedited, including those which prove what he denies about his motives and actions. I'm a fair woman and will give credit where it's due. While I won't delete the parts of this blog entry about his deleting comments in the first place, because he DID do so, I wwill publicly commend Louis for finally showing he can be capable of honesty once in awhile.

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No one with any modicum of intelligence and common sense believes the lies and distortions spread by the National Organization For Marriage and other allegedly civilized anti-equality groups like it. That's pretty much a given. I don't even need to point out all the abundance of proof out there that confirms the hypocrisy and bigotry that makes them all weepy whenever someone rightfully points it out and calls them bigots. Blogs all over the blogosphere have already dissected them in spades. Blogs like Good As You, Box Turtle Bulletin, Pam's House Blend, (which I occasionally cross-post to), and Holy Bullies & Headless Monsters all have numerous entries completely taking apart NOM's lies, fact-distortions, victim-claiming, and bullying. The evidence is out there.

No, THIS blog is about two specific big-time losers amonst the haters, who challenged me publicly, failed miserably, and tried desperately to spindoctor things to paint me as an emotional homofacsist who couldn't beat their arguments and resorted to screaming obscenities at them.

Of course since both men in question deleted major chunks of our conversation in history in their respective, (but far from respectable) blogs, they certainly can't prove that claim.

The two men, (and I use that term very loosely given their behavior), in question are self-proclaimed then vehemently denied NOM strategist Louis J Marinelli, and generally ignored and unheard of hate blogger and self-proclaimed hetero-separatist Carl Morris, AKA Mantronikk.

Both men are passionate bigots, hatemongers spreading fear through lies and distortions, both of whom swear up and down they aren't bigots or haters or liars but just good honest men fighting to protect traditional marriage from selfish gay folks. They don't HATE us mind you, they just expect us to believe their beliefs have more weight to define marriage law than true civil equality does.

I will pause for a moment while you all get your maniacal laughter under control.

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Okay, now that we've all laughed at the silly whining little bullies claims of persecution, let's get to the meat of things.

Both of these men have, in their arrogance, publicly challenged me, (why I don't know, Pam or Alvin or Timothy are FAR more famous and could get the little weasels a LOT more press than an obscure paegan blogger like me ever could), to a debate (Carl) and to prove dishonesty (Louis). Both men were convinced of their superiority. Both men failed, BIG time.

First of all, as I said in my update last night to my last blog entry, Carl proved very clearly, in his own words, on his own blog, and in the comments of said last blog entry of mine, that, while publicly challenging me to a mature intelligent debate over marriage equality, his only real goal was to attempt to goad me into screaming at him so he could dismiss me as a nutjob with no valid points.

He of course failed miserably. Instead of freaking out on him, I continued to post, calmly pointing out his hypocrisy, and telling him our debate was on hold until he apologised for unneccesary childish insults like "The She-Man of Hedon" and "The Shemale of Heroin", agree to keep the discussion civil, and I would happily continue the debate. Predictably he tried to twist this into me making excuses to flee the debate in tears because I couldn't refute any of his claims. I once again, on his blog, my blog, and even Louis' blog where Carl first issued the challenge, that I was more than happy to continue once he apologised, and that the debate was on hold only because of his refusal to do so.

Realizing that he could not bully me into playing his game his way, and that he was NOT going to get the big nutjob freakout he needed to discredit me, he posted a blog publicly admitting that he deleted my last three comments, citing my refusal to answer one of his deceitful questions, of course completely disavowing the whole part about me simply waiting for him to apologise, which included me PROMISING to answer that very question once he did so. Like a true collossal failure he honestly believes he beat me while being completely oblivious to how his VERY OWN WORDS prove his bigotry and his failure to even come close to challenging me, let alone beating me. As evidenced by his childish comment to Louis' blog last night.



He followed up with the even more delusional "I've already banned her from my blog. She's all about her emotions and false accusations and name-calling. I think I'm finally rid of her. ". Sorry Carl, but the facts and evidence prove otherwise.

On the subject of Louis' blog, you might notice the comments section in that screencap looks different. That would bge because Louis completely deleted his entire blog's ENTIRE COMMENT HISTORY and switched from the default Google/Blogspot comment system to Disqus.

Except as we all know, Louis isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and his attempts to censor and distort the truth often backfire on him. First of all, I'm hardly the only one who's pointed out the sudden mysterious disappearance of hundreds of comments that wipe the floor with Louis' failed lies and prove his deception and bigotry. Secondly, while he himself has not, and of course will never acknoweldge the deletion, or that any older comments ever existed, (I'll bet money he swears there were no comments on his blog ever prior to adding Dusqus if pressed for a comment), his lack of thorough thought has screwed him once again as it has so many times before.

Ironically, on a blog entry targetting me to begin with. And after deleting his blog's comment history, he predictably forgot to go back and edit THIS blog. Why is that important?


Because Louis used a screencap of one of my now-deleted comments to his blog, proving unequivicobly that comments against his lies did in fact exist prior to yesterday, and that he did in fact wipe them all out like a coward.

Oh and notice how in that first screencap a few paragraphs back how Louis admits, (though for fabricated reasons) that he can't wait to blacklist me? Yeah Louis, censorship is the biggest indicator of a coward. When you cannot with fact or logic refute the facts and logic used to counter your stance, a reasonable intelligent person adapts his stance to the facts. An unreasonable bullying coward distorts the facts until they suit his stance.

Carl, Louis, you are both unreasonable men. You have both been caught lying, and even better, like the idiots you sadly are, you yourselves both confirmed everything I say about you IN YOUR OWN WORDS. You've both publicly said things that, while in your delusional worlds were awesome witty dismissals of me, were in fact only successful in vindicating me and destroying your lies. You yourselves have caused your straw houses to crumble. And all I had to do was confront you with facts that you can't ignore or distort, and you both fell apart like Legos.

Anyone can just point at a hater and say "That is a hateful bigot". But when you can use brutal honesty to trick the haters into revealing their hate and bigotry plain as day in their own words, it's truly a beautiful thing.

Louis' credibility, while never very high to begin with, is now completely destroyed. And Carl's poorly planned attempt to discredit me and get some internet fame at my expense backfired horribly. Both men, through their very own words and actions, have proven them to be lying, dishonest, hateful homophobic bullies. And all I had to do was tell the truth to make them do so.

Louis believes all gay folks are polygamous pedophiles. Carl thinks all gays are facsists trying to destroy society. And both men claim they are neither liars, bigots nor hateful. Louis has tried to dismiss me by saying my marriage isn't real so he isn't obligated to answer marriage questions I ask him. Carl posted this bullshit in response to someone pointing out to him that he was in fact holding the debate hostage by demanding an answer in exchange for his apology.

"I wouldv'e been happy to have an adult debate with the delusions-of-grandeur-having "Shaman," until she spoke to me with contempt. I normally don't play these type of juvenile games, but I'm also not going to wear a tuxedo in a bar fight. The "Shaman" will not answer my SIMPLE question about someone teaching HER kids that homosexuality was wrong without her consent and seeks to distract me from that fact with false accusations of "bigotry" and "hatemongering" and a avalanche of words that still don't answer my simple question. I've gone out of my way to denounce hatred in my manifesto (click on the "h" to see it), the definition of a "heteroseparatist," and my logo, and the "Shaman" comes at me accusing me of hate. She's just mad that I was able to alter ONE letter of her lofty title and add a hyphen and collapse her huge ego. And the fact that she is definitely not a lipstick/feminine lesbian only added to the strength of my improvised-psychological-device. I'm done trying to get through to abusive homofascists, hence the creation of my word/website/blog/concept...heteroSEPARATIST. I don't want to fight anyone, but when I'm cornered and attacked, I'm going to really surprise my attacker".

And yet HIS OWN BLOG offers an abundance of proof that he is lying through his teeth. As I pointed out yesterday, he was juvenile and derogatory before the debate even began, and my so-called contempt was simply my brutal honesty dissecting his anti-gay claims. I suggest checking out the comments I left that he did put through and has yet to delete for proof of this.

But then what can you expect from a guy who cites Peter LaBarbera and his ilk as exoperts on homosexuality?

For the record, here is his definition of a Hetero-Separatist, as taken from his own website.

"heteroseparatist;

a: A person who rejects homofascism, homosexuality, and homophobia.

b: A person, entity, or organization that respectfully declines to associate with any or all divisions of the gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender community, but does not hate, fear, or persecute people that are GLBT.

c: A person who quietly shuns people and environments that are antihetero."

You know that sounds awfully familiar. Now where have I heard a statement like that before?

Sorry boys. You've both failed miserably, and you did so with your very own words and actions. And I'm still here, and I'm still an uppity lesbian, and I will still speak the truth whereever and whenever I can, and none of your lying or bullying or distortions will EVER shut me up.

The only way you will ever be rid of me is death. And even with a terminal illness, I am simply too goddamned stubborn to die.

Deal with it.

Louis Marinelli Shoots Himself In The Foot With His NOM Camera

Poor poor Louis. He's clearly getting desperate. He knows he looks like a liar even to his supporters now when he SWEARS he has no affiliation with NOM, even though he owns and is driving the RV that is taking NOM across the USA on their repulsive "Summer For Marriage" tour. Not to mention the ABUNDANCE of proof on the internet.

So since he knows he looks like a liar, (because he IS one), he needs to try to make himself look like a brave intrepid hero, (by lying even more), and use his trusty camera to prove how the po' innocent lil NOMbies are being victimized by the big bad Gay Agenda (™ & ©). The proble,? Any GOOD photagrapher, like ME for example, can use his own photos to prove his deception.

Now you should know that poor victimized Louis thinks I misrepresent and victimize him. He didn't like how my blog entry about him clearly revealed his hateful bullying hypocrisy and his fear of honesty, so he mumbled off a victimhood tweet and dared me to post our ENTIRE Twitter exchange so people could see who the "real hateful bully" was. Not expecting me to call his bluff, I scared him off completely when I said if he just gives me an honest answer to my original question, I'd do a blog entry of EVERY tweet he and I traded, in order. I never heard from him again. Likely because we all know an honest answer to my question stripped of his bullshit religious justifications would crumble his stance right out from underneath him. But that's no surprise of course, all over the net there is ABUNDANT proof that whenever Louis argues with someone smarter than him who can out-think and out-debate him at every level, when his bullshit is easily dissected and he can't argue the facts away, he goes silent and runs away like the coward he is rather than accept he's been proven wrong. Denial is his lifeblood.

So to be fair to poor victimized Louis, here's a link to his blog entry that I am about to rip to pieces, so he can't accuse me of misrepresenting him or taking him out of context.... you know, the way he does to everyone and everything else.

So let's start with his first photo of the Albany NOM event. While he tries to downplay YET another abyssmal turnout in Albany, ("Local supporters were happy with the turnout, explaining that downtown Albany is a "ghost town" on weekends."), he still uses this photo to attempt to make a couple dozen people seem like they could be hundreds.

Notice he makes it seem like more than 30 people showed up by carefully photographing the first row from an upward angle, just in front of the knees of the guy at the end of the line, aimed mostly towards the head of the guy at the other end in the second row. This is an old and common camera deception, designed specifically to give the visual cues to whoever sees the picture to make it look less sparse and thus trick your mind into imaging a much bigger crowd. So the NOM rally looks like it attracted hundreds, when maybe 30 people showed up at all. Deceptive Angle photography is a common trick, especially among less honest news photographers and Papparazzi, to create a visual that tricks your mind into perceiving something differently. This angle trick is a desperate attempt to make it appear they garnered more interest in their hate rally than they actually did.


Now, let's look at his second photo. Here he's trying to make one of NOM's many lie-spewing hatemongers, Doctor Jennifer Morse, ("She went on to make the points that kids need a mom and a dad and that moms and dads are not interchangeable. She said if you look at the studies that the gay lobby put out, they want you to believe that the only good man is a gay man.") Appear powerful and confident by shooting her from a lower angle, making her seem slightly imposing, but by stupidly trying to make sure the NOM banner is visible he also reveals the truth his first photo was designed to obscure; the abyssmal turnout. Look at those steps there behind her? See anyone sitting there? Nope, not a one. You would at a successful rally though. Those stairs would be full of cheering supporters if NOM had attracted a good crowd. But there they are, empty barren concrete steps, showing just how alone Dr. Morse really is up there spewing her distortions.


Photo number three is designed to make the pro-equality protesters who accompany the NOM hatefest around the country look like big scary bullies terrorizing poor Dr. Morse. ("Marching in organized single-file lines bearing umbrellas, the activists marched from behind and took over the stage where Dr. Morse and the other speakers were to be speaking. They didn't make much noise but did monopolize the stage area. Apparently, they were there without a permit which caused a few State Troopers to arrive and inform that they could not rally at that time and location without a permit. The police left the scene shortly afterwards, leaving the homosexual activists surrounding the podium.") Well Louis can't even keep his own lies straight. How does a straight line of people surround anything? Louis tried to make the protesters look rude and ominous by taking a low angle shot so they'd seem bigger than the speaker and appear threatening and imposing, but he failed to notice their backs are all turned. There is nothing LESS threatening than a guy with his back to you, wide open for you to stab him in it. Which of course you do figuratively every day right Louis boy? So once again, his attempt to lie through photography failed.

Oh and, in case no one was reading between the lines, Louis lied again when claiming the protesters had no permit and cops showed up. First of all, IF any cops really shopwed up, he'd have pictures of it and be posting them ad nauseum to show the noble officers protesting them all from the Pink Menance! Secondly, if they truly had no permits and cops showed up, they'd be forced to leave, not left on (*snickers*) Stage to protest. Honesty 3, Louis -5.

So at this point Lou must be realizing somewhere in his bitter tiny brain, that thse pics don't do enough to sway gullible people into supporting him and NOM. So he needs to blatantly make some shit up from scratch to villify t3h GaYz.

Here Louis shows us the big scary Labradours that a couple protesters brought with them to intimidate the supporters. AGAIN, a huge failure. While he tries to focus on the dogs, he makes a mistake his prior pictures should have alerted him to easily had he the actual talent to pull these frauds off. He let the dog-ownwers hands, shorts and legs be seen in his shot. This is photographic proof taken by his OWN camera that he made this up. Those dogs belong to park goers. He asked for a picture because they were wearing shorts like the protesters, but the protesters all stuck together for unity, they NEVER strayed off into smaller groups, safety in numbers. They stay close knit in case a nom supporter gets militant and starts a fight. And yes Lou, it WILL be a NOMmer who eventually throws the first punch. So knowing this, why are the dog owners not with the other protesters clearly visible behind them? Why do their shorts not exactly match those worn by any of the protesters? Because they were NOT protesters. They were two folks walking their dogs and not even close enough to the couple dozen NOM supporters to scare anyone.

(UPDATE; Louis posted another picture that does at least prove Protesters DO own the dogs, but that doesn't change anything. They're LABS for fuck's sake! The LEAST violent dog on the planet! Shitzus are more viscious! And his new picture proves they kept the dogs away from the NOMbies. So in proving the dogs DID belong to protesters, he inadvertantly proved they were NOT being used to intimidate. When you catch a man in his blatant lies and make him desperate top be able to say HA gotcha!, you make him even more careless. He COULD have posted this new picture on the original blog entry. He didn't. Why? BECAUSE this new pic proves the dogs were not being used to intimidate and he couldn't spew his bullshit to it.)

Oh, and finally, Louis' biggest attempt, (and biggest failure) to vilify us to drum up support.

So here we have some pro-equality protesters apparently bullying a poor innocent nursing mother, who just wants to clearly see the rally in peace. Says King Louis;

"Sitting on the grass with her three young kids, Maria, pictured to the right, was prohibited from viewing the rally from this line of homosexual activists who refused to move over a few feet to allow for a line of vision for the nursing mother. She asked them and we also asked them to stand slightly to the left or right out of respect for Maria but they wouldn't budge. One of them even threatened us when we asked them to move over. One of those 'you better not touch us' lines. Really classy."

His own photo kicks him square in the testicles with this bullshit lie. Let's review shall we?

The poor picked-on breastfeeding mother... who is....
Clearly not breastfeeding in this picture, unless she has nipples atop her shoulders, and also...


She's not even FACING the NOM rally, which is actually going on behind and to her right. If the protesters are blocking her view of anything, it's trees and grass.

God Louis you're not even trying anymore. Did you just hope no one would spot the NOM bus and the very same building where Dr. Morse was preaching bullshit was right there in the background of your photo clearly proving your are blatantly lying? And that woman, first of all, was clearly just a mother taking her family to the park. Second, she has a soft smile on her face so she's clearly not upset by the protesters. Third, the protesters you AGAIN shoot from a low angle to create the big threatening imposing figure illusion, are spaced visibly far enough apart that the woman could see past them with no problem. Yes Lou, the smiling woman chatting with the polite respectful protesters seems so put off and upset by her inability to see a rally she wasn't attending to begin with. Oh and let's not forget, her other kids are not showing any fear, upset or distress. They seem to be quite happily going on about their business. I doubt you said one word to the nice black mother Louis, and if you did I bet her only reply was "Fuck off you sleazy creep".

If I want this post to prove ANYTHING, well, besides what a lying hypocrite douchebag Lou is, it's that evil CAN be overcome by education. The more you learn reality, facts and science, the more you can spot the lies and distortions designed to keep you ignorant and afraid. This is why the Religious Right opposes so many things. Educated minds are harder to deceive. Texas just removed Thomas Jefferson from all American History books because he wasn't a Christian and had radical ideas the GOP doesn't want their kids exposed to lest they learn enough to see through the oppression they're raised to follow blindly.

Louis J. Marinelli is a liar. The proof of this is abundant and easy to find. He is also a mean-spirited bully and a hatemonger, using seriously outdate and discredited anti-gay research to justify calling us all pedophiles. And he is a huge spineless coward, who will run away from any argument he can't bullshit his way out of. When he preaches to the gullible sheep who believe his scary lies about us scary evil gay folk, no one questions him, no one challenges him. And it fuels his hateful ego.

But when he tries to convince educated people of his bullshit, like me on Twitter, or his many debates with Jeremy of Good As You, he fails and he fails hard, because we know his bullshit for what it is, and we counter it with facts and logic and reason that he can't bullshit away. And when as he often is, faced with the choice to accept the truth, admit his mistakes, and try to better his life, he always, ALWAYS, proves his bullying hatemongering cowardice by dodging hard questions with bullshit rhetoric, denying we offered any proof he's wrong, saying he doesn't need to humor anything we say because we're disordered pedophiles who will never be married or be really in love, and disappearing from the conversation going LALALALAICAN'THEARYOUUUUU. And he never replies again, he moves on to the next failure hoping some stupid person will believe his lies.

Maggie? Brian? THIS IS THE MAN YOU ARE IN BED WITH. And don't waste your energy denying it, once again, the proof is everywhere. Give up your hateful fight, accept that you ARE in fact bigots and are victims of NOTHING except your own paranoia, and let EVERYONE be EQUAL.