Louis Marinelli Caught Lying AGAIN (In Other News, Ducks Quack)

Crossposted on Pam's House Blend

So Louis has been aggressively censoring new comments on his blog. Mostly from me, the most hateful lesbian he's met. No shock there. He let a few of my comments through one day presumably thinking that doing so would prove he wasn't singling me out for censorship. Specifically comments that included my accusing him of censorship for not allowing several other prior comments through. For once in his misbegotten life, he actually addressed something I said. This is what Louis posted to justify censoring me.



Now of course we all know this is complete bullshit on his part. Calling someone a liar when you've provided actual proof they lied is NOT a personal attack, and I go OUT OF MY WAY to not swear or cuss on his blog specifically to prevent him having an excuse to censor me. Of course since he HAS censored me, and moreso has PUBLICLY ADMITTED TO DOING SO, he shot himself in the foot once again.

Sure he can claim every comment of mine he censored was full of nothing but me saying "Louis you're a fucking moronic piece of shit", (which incidentally is a true description of him but I have NEVER said anything close to resembling it on his blog), but since he, by his own admission, HAS censored them, he now cannot prove his claims.

This however is not actually the lie I caught him in, since, with my comments not approved, I can't prove I DIDN'T cuss at him and I know it. However...

Louis' excuse for censoring all but a bare handful of my comments is his claim that he will not publish comments that, in his words, "include offensive language or personal attacks. That type of language is unnecessary".

And the very next day, Louis proved he was lying, when he allowed this anonymous homophobia to go through.



Caught you again Louis. Or is your cesorship policy to cover only "offensive language or personal attacks" against those who side with you, but perfectly acceptable when derogatory towards your opponents?

Once again, Louis J. Marinelli; A proven Liar, a Moral Coward, a pathetic excuse for a human being.

A Debate Precaution (UPDATED)

UPDATE - Mantronikk, after being caught in a bald-faced lie even he couldn't weasel out of, has deleted the blog entry that mocked me as fleeing from the debate accompanied by a picture of Jabba the Hutt altogether rather than have his lie publicly viewable. He had claimed in the blog that he had deleted my last 5 comments to his blog because, and ONLY because, I refused to answer his scathing decisive question, which is a lie to begin with, but I can prove with screenshots and the publuc record on 4 different blogs that when I gave up on him ever GROWING up and apologising for juvenile comments, I answered his question as a consolation prize for his so badly losing the debate. Rather than have a lie he can't lie his way out of be public, the entire entry is now gone. I win yet again!

Self-Proclaimed Hetero-Separatist blogger mantronikk, the man who tried to convince me to stop defending marriage equality in the comments over on Luois J Marinelli's blog about NOM's summer tour with THIS charming example of disconnection from reality...

mantronikk said...

Shaman of Hedon, I have a question for you concerning homosexual "marriage." How would you feel if you bought an expensive ticket to an IMAX movie and, after you were seated, you saw a person get up and let their friend into the theater via the exit door, and the two sat down next to you and began talking loudly on their cell phones after the movie began?
July 18, 2010 12:32 AM

... has openly challenged me to a public debate on his own blog. This could be fun since he's among the more extreme and openly hateful wingnuts I've ever read. Just a brief scan of his blog reveals the usual bullying lies and blatant distortions of facts I've come to expect from his type, and more openly aggressive and hateful than some. Why he'd challenge me when I've already once publicly dissected his dubious grip on reality and gotten him laughed at and mocked by others doing so is beyond me, but I took him up on his offer.

I WAS going to copy/paste the text of my first comment on his blog here to make sure he doesn't try and pull a fast one by editing, altering or outright deleting my comment and then claiming it's what I posted or that I didn't accept his challenge, which I can clearly envision him doing, but as I'm running on 34 hours without sleep, I admittedly fucked up and copied his blog url for the link above BEFORE I remembered to paste my comment text here, and it's already in holding awaiting his approval on his blog so I can copy it again. My fuck-up, I admit it. So we'll just have to hope he has the integrity to allow my comment through unaltered, as if he does alter it I can't prove such, and if he disallows it to claim I never met his challenge I have only my own word otherwise.

While I'd like to think given my proven history of being terminally honest and having a high level of integrity would speak for itself, I know full well that other bigots who WANT to believe him simply will, and use this to prove I'm too cowardly to meet his challenge.

If however, he has not put through my unedited comment by tomorrow evening, I'll comment AGAIN, and THIS time I'll immediately remember to copy/paste whatever I comment unedited as a comment on THIS VERY BLOG POST. Hopefully, despite his propensity for hateful speech, lying, and relying on known anti-gay liars for his facts, (he links to Peter LaBarbera's site as proof that preachers will be arrested if gays get equality for fuck's sake!), that he will, since HE laid down the challenge, have the honesty and integrity to post my comments unedited.

We shall see.

UPDATE!

Manntronik, despite his version of events, has forfeited the debate completely and has left absolutely NO doubt about what a cowardly lying idiot he is. See his latest blog entry wherein he publicly admits to censoring me for a bullshit reason and uses a picture of Jabba the Hutt to signify that *GAPS!!!* I'm fat. Also, trees have bark, water is wet, ice is cold, and Manntronik is a complete idiot. Oh, and just in case he actually grows enough of a brain long enough to realize how badly he fucked his own ass posting that blog entry and removes it so he can claim he never censored me et al, here's a lovely screenshot for you all!



So let's review here. Manntronik, after already proving his grasp of reality is tenuous at best with his ridiculous movie theatre anaology, challenges me to a debate on HIS blog. Why? For the very reason I made THIS blog; because on HIS blog he can censor me in his favor. On THIS blog he can't delete anything I say he can't outwit or twist.

Then he proves he has no intention of having a mature adult debate by posting this blog entry,



... insulting me in a childish homophobic way before we've even gotten started.

As you can see in the comments below, he came here to get even more insulting while trying to act all mature and beleagred on his own blog. I made it crystal clear that the debate was only on hold until he apologised for being juvenile, and that once he had we could happily continue. He tried, and very clearly failed, to twist things into him being the victim of my hateful homo bullying, and said that I was making excuses to run away because I couldn't beat him and was all butthurt because of his little insults.

Well let's review. HE couldn't answer anything I posed to him and acted like a teenager. For the record, his insults themselves barely phase me. I've heard MUCH worse. I wanted an apology because HE was the one who issued the challenge, HE should have the balls to be the mature adult he claims to be.

HE refused repeatedly to apologise, holding the debate hostage and trying to control it. He was bullying me, refusing to apologise unless I answered one of his badly thought out twist questions first. You know, the questions haters come up with designed to sound rational but carefully worded so that they can dismiss your answer as not answering the question honestly even when you do so. By holding the debating hostage and trying to force conditions onto the apology, he proved he's the one doing the bullying and FURTHER proved he had ZERO interest in a real debate, as I suspected from the beginning.

Finally, by censoring my last few comments which said that very thing, he tried to twist it into me being some crazy dyke hater stalking him, the poor victimized homo-hating bully.



See what he did there folks? After deleting comments wherein I clearly said I would stop talking to him IF he refused one last time to grow up and apologise, and by leaving the extended bullying and hate here on my blog while limiting it on his blog to one wordplay insult which he now claims was retaliatory brilliance to deflate my crushing ego, and generally lies through his teeth to play the intellectual victim.

I dare any of you to go read his manifesto and not laugh your ass off at his insistance that there's NO homophobia or hate or bigotry in it.

The debate, if you can even call it that, is done. And Manntronik can blame whoever he likes but the facts prove he's the one who killed it, really before it even began. So he's welcome to twist things however he needs to so he can feel like he won, but all he's accomplished is proving he's just another dishonest bullying lying even to himself spreading hatred and bigotry and lies and distortions trying to justify keeping GLBT folks second class AT BEST.

Shemale of Heroin 1, LittleBoyTronik 0.

Nom Strategist Louis J. Marinelli Declares Me Most Hateful Lesbian!

Crossposted as a diary on Pam's House Blend

To clarify, since I can only type so much in the title, he declared me, on his public blog, "One of the most hateful members of the homosexual community I've ever come across". Ew... bad mental picture.... ew ew ew....

Anyway, for those amonst you who, I'm very certain, are curious how mean and nasty I must have been to the poor little hatemonger to earn such a grandiose declaration, it begins with Twitter.

Louis you see, had retweeted a hateful tweet from fellow bigot nutcase Reverand David Mapes wherein Mapes tweeted "#inaintafraidtosay Homosexual Marriage is wrong!". Mapes and I have a history now of arguing Bible accuracy but Mapes is another story. So I took Louis to task for the retweeting suggesting it proves bigotry and pointing him to an abundance of proof that the anti-gay stuff in the Bible is not actually anti-gay but anti-rape and anti-woman, and NOT actually about homosexuality at all.

Louis tweeted back that his was NOT a religious or Christian organization so he had no idea what I was talking about. So I asked him if not religion based, then give me his reasons proving my lesbian marriage is causing him or society any harm.

Like the bullying homophobic coward he is, he sidestepped the question by claiming since I'm not married, he didn't have to discuss my non-existant marriage as it would be "antithetical". I showed him my BC Canada legal marriage certificate in response.

To no one's surprise, he dismissed it as a worthless piece of paper that means nothing. (Which makes me wonder; if it's so worthless why do he and Maggie and Brian fight so hard to keep you USA queer folks from getting them like we Canuckleheads do?).

So I posted an entry on my blog showing his hateful tweets and pointing out how he had basically publicly revealed his bigotry, hatemongering and cowardice by showing his tweets and pointing out his refusal to answer simple honest questions, because to answer such questions honestly would, as the Prop 8 trial proved repeatedly, force him to admit gay marriage will do society good and no one will go to jail for saying they disagree.

Now poor poor victimized Louis felt that by only posting a couple of his tweets I was both misrepresenting him and making myself look like an angel, and so he dared me to post our entire Twitter exchange to my blog so people could, in his words, "see who the REAL hater is". I doubt he expected me to call his bluff though. Because you see, when I replied that I would be more than happy to do EXACTLY that if he just answered my honest question, I never heard from him again. He began to ignore me completely, as if I didn't exist.

Cut to Saturday, when Louis posted a blog entry about the Summer For Marriage Tour's stop in Albany New York. As Pam of Pam's House Blend herself has pointed out, attendance was abyssmal, showing how little support NOM really has. Of course, facts never stopped Louis from telling a good lie, so in this blog entry he posted pictures from the Albany event.

Not just any pictures though. No, these pictures were carefully taken from specific angles in ways designed to manipulate truth. His pictures both made the Supporter turnout look bigger than it was, and also attempted to make the pro-equality protesters look like big mean rude bullies.

Unfortunately for Louis, I happen to be a damned good photographer and something of an expert in Angle Manipulation, as my BCIT professor taught us SPECIFICALLY how to spot dishonest news photography designed to give a specific idea as to what the photo is showing.

So both in the comments on his blog and in an entry on my own blog, I deconstructed each of his pictures as they were shown on his blog to show EXACTLY how he used dishonest photography to distort the truth. And in so doing made Louis angry enough to completely unravel his lies by himself just to prove I was wrong about one detail.

He immediately posted another blog in which he posted more pictures to prove thata pair of elderly harmless black labs he had tried to claim were there to intimidate NOM supporters did in fact belong to some of the pro-gay protesters. Bravo Louis, I conced I was wrong about an assumption I made based on the photos YOU originally chose to use to fearmonger amonst your supporters.

However...

The NEW pics he posted actually hurt his case, BADLY. These pictures not only proved that the protesters AND the dogs were a safe respectable distance from the audience, but also clearly showed that audience was MAYBE two or three DOZEN people AT ABSOLUTE MOST.

And on top of that, if you'll scroll to the bottom of his second blog entry, just before the comments start, he posts a screencap of one of my comments to his earler blog, specifically the one dissecting the original dogs photo, as proof of my evil hateful ploy to deceive his followers with intentional lies against him, and closes his blog by saying "So much for this comment by one of the most hateful members of the homosexual community I have ever come across."

So I've apparently pissed Louis off so much by basically tricking him into exposing his lies and bigotry by himself that he's chosen to single me out as among the most hateful; homuh-seckshuals EVER because I used facts and logic politely to both prove AND trick HIM into openly confirming what all rational sane people already knew; that Louis is a hatemongering homophobic bigot fighting to stamp out equality SOLELY because gay folks creep him out.

If one's success is measured by the calibre of one's enemies, well then I've made the big time folks! I can sit at the Big Kids' table now because King Louis says I'm among the very worst of our kind! Yay for me!

You folks might note in the comments of his second blog, a LOT of people outright ridicule him for claiming that of me based on my polite, logical fact-driven comments. Some of whom had previously been supportive of him on older blog entries. Which means driving him to the point of condemning me personally has actually cost louis some supporters.

If that is the result of him declaring me a most hateful homo, I wear that badge PROUDLY. Because nobody with a brain, common sense, and and ounce of integrity reading his words and mine will ever believe a word out of his mouth now. Face it Louis, you've become one of our biggest assets in the battle for equality, because the more folks hear your insane hatemongering garbage? The more of them that will side with us in disgust of your bile.

Keep up the bad work Louis!

When An Honest Answer Will Screw You, Dodge The Question

At least that's the lesson I learned from my Twitter exchange with Louis Marinelli III, head of the Anti-Equality organization Protect Marriage; One Man One Woman. Which is like, so totally NOT a religious group, and like, fer sure in NO way in bed with NOM, and would like honestly I swear never condone hatespeech against homosexuals in their honorable battle to protect traditional marriage from t3h gayz.

You see I tweeted him. His Twiiter is @OneMan_OneWoman. At first I gave him some factual ACTUAL Bible quotes that prove the Bible can only be Anti-Gay is intentionally distorted. His reply?

@ShamanOfHedon We are not a religious organization, let alone a Christian organization. I have no idea where you are coming from.

So I replied linking him to any number of the literally HUNDREDS of webpages out there from various gay bloggers and news outlets that handily and undeniably prove the heavy Christian and Mormon fundraising that keeps him in business and his links to many religious organizations including many officially declared as Hate Groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Then I asked him, DARED him even, to give me a straight honest answer. I asked him for just ONE, only one, logical reason based purely in proven inarguable FACT, with absolutely NO religious background or basis whatsoever why my marriage was Wrong. He didn't answer for two days. I tweeted that his refusal to answer was exactly what I expected, because he HAD no answer. So he finally tweeted back, with this charming little pile of tripe.

@ShamanOfHedon Can't give you a reason because you're not married. Therefore, to talk about your 'marriage' to a woman is antithetical.

See what he did there folks? He doesn't HAVE to give me an honest answer because I'm not really married! Well gee whiz he sure has me there!

Oh wait...



Nope, he kinda fails with that reasoning. See folks, I'm Canadian, where religious nutcases HAVEN'T been successful in bullying away true equality. My marriage is every bit as legal and valid as his, and I'll bet good money a lot more loving and honest given how easily this asshole oozes lies and hatred like he's drinking water.

So only easily frightened folks already drinking this guy's Kool-Aid wouldn't see right through his response. Louis just proved, publicly, that he is a coward and a liar, always ready to use blatant dishonesty and distortions to lie his way out of being honest. He claims he can't answer me because I'm not married, which I just proved is a lie. We all know the truth.

He can't answer me because to give a truthful straight honest answer would shoot him in the foot, because if he can't sneak some religious basis into his answer to justify his actions, he's left with nothing but admitting it's because he hates gay people and he doesn't want us to be truly equal to him. He opposes Marriage equality because he is a hateful bigot and wants us to be forever second-class and sub-human. And if he gave me an HONEST answer, then he and his cronies buddies at NOM couldn't whine about how they're being bullied and persecuted whenever anyone calls them bigots, because an HONEST answer would require ADMITTING to bigotry. And Louis will NEVER do that. Whining about this completely imaginary victimization is his best way of getting god-fearing folks who never do any fact-checking to send him money.

Oh, one little post-script here. Since he weaselled out of answering my question, I asked him another one that I'm pretty sure he's too cowardly to answer.

I asked him how many starving homeless American children could he have clothed and fed with every dollar he's spent fighting marriage equality.

Let's see him sleep with hungry children on his eyes.