If anyone noticed that GudbuytJane has been removed from the Friends of Hedon sidebar, it is because she showed a personal cowardice to me that I cann't condone, and she is no longer deserving of space on my blog.
She posted a blog entry you see, concerning the Lady GaGa/Beyonce video for Telephone, in which she stated she believes GaGa was confirming negative attides towards trans/IS people and she should be condemned for it. I disagreed with that assessment, as I believe her tongue-in-cheek bit in the video where she slyly addresses the long running "GaGa is a herm" rumours was actually very positive about transfolk, when the butch prison gaurd said it was "too bad" GaGa lacked a penis, intoning that a girl with a penis isn't such a bad thing.
So I tried posting a comment to this effect. Noting that she had recently begun censoring disagreeable comments, I didn't think mine would be, as she had thus far disallowed only blatantly transphobic comments. However as she didn't like my opinion, she decided my comment would not be posted either, under the flimsy excuse of my supposedly using "Ableist language" by referring to Right-Wing censorship as "Batshittery". Given she and I have discussed Ableism before, she knows that excuse is flimsy at best and cowardly at worst, and the bottom line, as evidenced by the fact that NO comment disagreeing with her GaGa opinion was allowed through, is that she did not like being disagreed with.
Jane knows she has NO right to chastise me about ANYTHING Ablesist. SHE is perfectly healthy with no mental illness issues whereas I'm in a wheelchair with chronic clinical depression. She has no more right to chastise me for non-existant ableist language than she would to tell a black man he's not ALLOWED to use the N-Word should he so choose, regardless of her personal opinions. And she KNOWS it. So the Ableist language excuse was a really bad attempt at hiding her insecurity. Jane is on the cusp of lapsing into Voz Latina territory, where EVERYONE not Trans is the enemy, out to get transfolk, and anyone who disagrees is a concern troll.
Like Voz before her, whom I sadly still love dearly despite having NO respect left for, Jane has lost the war with herself to not let her negative experiences dominate her behavior. And like Voz, she's perfectly welcome to her opinions, no matter how skewed or unfair or clouded by bitterness.
But there is NO room on THIS blog, even just a little bit in the sidebar, for someone who sees transhate everywhere with such blind fervour that they refuse to allow anyone to point out positive trans messages exist.
I cut ties with Voz because Voz said ALL cis women are out to silence and destroy trans women, knowing a cis woman married me. And Voz's response to me pointing out the FACTUAL TRUTH that in fact, NOT all cis women want us dead, was concern trolling and if I loved her I'd shut up and just agree with her ranting.
And I'm cutting ties with Jane because I have NO patience for someone with her white, able-bodied privilege using ableism as an excuse to censor me because I saw positives in GaGa's message.
Those of you who read my blog know I'm VEHEMENTLY against censorship, even of things I dislike. You can see that proven easily enough scrolling through the comments on some entries, with some very nasty childish insipid attacks left untouched. The moment you can't cope with someone publicly disagreeing with you to the point you have to silence them to feel unchallengged in your opinion is the moment your opinion becomes worthless to me.
6/02/2010
My letter to Peter LaBarbera, Coward of God
(I sent this e-mail 3 days ago. I have not as yet received any response. Pro-Rape and Murder Bible passafes researched courtesy of Evil Bible.
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Somehow Peter, based on your words and your behavior, your underhanded tactics and your one-note defense of those tactics "LALA I can't hear your facts because I';m doing what GOD wants!), I seriously doubt that you've ever actually sat down and thoroughly read the entire Bible. Like all rightwing (not really a) Christian bullies, you constantly parrot a handful of carefully selected quotes you can easily misconstrue while ignoring SO much more you'd never DARE try to justify in today's world, championing a message God never offered to defend deplorable dishonest behavior.
I however, have read the Bible in it's entirity, repeatedly, because unlike you and the fearful naive sheep you prey on with your lies, I prefer to actually educate myself on these matters so I know whereof I speak.
So let me educate you Peter, though I know you lack the moral conviction and courage to hear what I tell you and will very likely reply with smug holier than thou condemnations and your usual twisting of truth into conveniant lies and carefully evading any direct questions by answering questions YOU ask yourself so you never have to honestly answer questions that you know an honest answer to will shoot you in the foot.
So let's learn shall we?
There are 73 books in the Catholic Bible, old and new Testament. Of those 73 books, only 14 contain the actual words of Jesus Christ, and only 7 claim to contain words directly spoken by god.
Of the 14 that pertain directly to Jesus, 12 of those relate the exact same story as told by different people with different points of view.
In NONE of the 14 books of Jesus speaking or the 7 claiming the direct words of God is there ANYTHING that condemns homosexuality. There are in fact only two instances when God or Jesus mention homosexuality at all. Let's first tackle God's only mention.
Sodom was not destroyed because it's inhabitants practised homosexuality. It was destroyed because they were RAPISTS. Bad hosts in a desert city, raping any travellers that passed through, male, female and child alike. That people like you choose erroneously to focus on only the man on man rape is one of the biggest lies your ilk purport. The actual story of Lot makes it very clear that the rapoes the sodomites commited were about power and cruelty, and that when they raped men it had nothing to do with any same-sex attraction but their desire to humiliate their victims by rendering them useless into a woman's role as a man's sexual property. The story makes it VERY clear that the RAPE was what God abhorred, and that the victims of that rape were indiscriminate. Women and children were also raped, but people like you go out of your way to ignore this fact and try falsely to paint it as a story specifically condemning homosexuality when it is nothing of the sort. Why? Because if you acknowledge that it was RAPE God condemned, you give up some of your male privilege by having to acknowledge publicly that God did NOT intend for women to belong to men quite so implicitly, and that women do indeed have a God-Given RIGHT to reject a man's unwanted advances.
Now, let's look at Jesus. Jesus taught social justice, tolerance, acceptance. He taught that it was NOT for man to judge his fellow man, only for God. Another fact you conveniently forget in your hubris of claiming to do God's work. And the only time Jesus ever touched on homosexuality was when his disciple Paul thrice brought it up. Paul, much like many people suspect you to be, was a misogynistic self-hating homosexual. His writings frequently dismiss women as inferior while he laments the thorn in his heart. Three times he asked Jesus to remove the thorn, and always Jesus refused him, because there was nothing wrong with Paul living exactly as God had made him.
Yes Pete, that's JESUS CHRIST his damn self saying "God MADE Paul Gay and there is no sin in it". And Paul refused to accept the word of his Lord and lived a lonely miserable and bitter life, attacking others for his own flaws and treating women like the floor he walked upon.
Now, let'sexamine the other major Bible quote you and your type just love to beat into the ground. That nasty little Leviticus quote.
First of all, let's look at the English language. In the 1500's when the Bible was first translated into English, the words Lie and Lay were NOT interchangable as they have become today. Lay meant only to lay down, and Lie meant only to be dishonest. This is a VERY important distinction because if you know this INDISPUTABLE fact of language, (Lie did not come to have it's double meaning until early in the 20th century, beginning in the Depression with the garbled slang of the uneducated poor), then the meaning of the quote you bleat so much is changed entirely.
Keeping also in mind that King Leviticus was clearly a bitter obsessive misogynest who like so many writers of the Bible believed women were not even people and existed to be the sexual property of men at men's whim, the quote,
"Thou shall not lie with man as thou lie with women, for it is an abomination",
A quote that you insist is a condemnation of gay men, has nothing at all to do with gayness or sex. It's about dishonesty. It's the Bible's version of "Bros before hos dude!". The quote means simply since women are just property, lie to them all you like, but never to your fellow man.
Oh and one final very important note about King Leviticus; He was just a man, and never claimed to be speaking for God. He just lied and claimed to personally know what God supposedly told Moses so his people would fear him and obey. The laws and rules Leviticus spoke oif were his own, NOT God's. God clearly never wished for woman to be subjugated by men.
On to lesbians. Never mentioned once. Anywhere. NOT ONE SINGLE MENTION. Therefore God has no opinion about us at all. And as for Trans folk? Your own Namesake Peter. The APOSTLE Peter. He speaks of eunichs who act as if women and he does so with kindness and compassion. Such a pity you're too much the shallow bullying coward to live up to the sainted apostle for whom you were named.
Oh, one last lesson. Your "Sanctity of Marriage" crap? Not according to the Bible.
Mary and Joseph were not married.
Joseph of the coat of many colors had 4 wives, only one of whom he had any actual intimate feelings for.
King Solomon bedded his two own daughters.
Marriage in the Bible is frequently depicted as a business arrangement, and many loving couples in the Bible were not in fact married. The sanctity of marriage is something the Church made up in direct contrast to the Bible to give men a greater hold over their wives.
What's next? Ah yes. Why don't you ever talk about other things the Bible commands? Such as a father's right to sell his daughter into sexual slavery? Or stone your neighbor to death if he works on the Sabbath? Or how wearing clothing made of any MIXED FABRICS is a greivous sin? I've seen some of the cheap suits you wear Petey, you're certainly guilty of THAT one.
In closing, let me give you a few Bible Verses you ought to go read RIGHT NOW. If you claim to truly be a God-Fearing Christian, go and read what the BIBLE condones, and then tell me how much of it you really want to believe is God's idea.
Bible condoned RAPE.
Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)
Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
(Notice a running theme here being that all these writers are claiming that these deplorable acts are God's wishes. Funny how you never bring up THESE kinds of Bible passages so clearly pro-rape/slavery/theft/murder, but always cite quotes that I've proven have NOTHING to do with what you think they do)
Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)
God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
God-Approved Murder (At least according to the Bible)
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents 1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. 1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets 1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) (Hey! That one applies to folks like you who swore the earth would swallow us whole should Gay marriage ever be condoned. Funny, still waiting on that one.)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Funny how many of those murder rules are from Leviticus. And yet you harp on the lie quote ceaselessly. Why do you NEVER discuss all his other decrees? I know why. Because if you truly believed this was GOD'S word, you know you yourself would be worthy of death in God's eyes, as there is NO way you haven't committed at least one of these sins. This above all else proves what a cowardly hypocrite you truly are. You are likely gay and hate it, so you attack other gays falsely in the name of God by using blatant lies and distortions to convince foolish people too afraid to read for themselves to send you money. You sir, are a thief, a liar, a blasphemer, and are most certainly garaunteed a place in the lake of fire for your deplorable misdeeds.
Homosexuality is not condemned by God or Christ but by small fearful cowardly misogynist men like you. It exists in Nature, not just in humans, but in thousands of species, as a population control tool.
I of course, based on your history, fully expect you to either ignore my letter completely, or respond by ignoring any point you cannot argue away and instead insisting my being a lesbian ssomehow automatically negates all these TRUTHS I've offered you because I'm somehow rejecting God. You will blatantly ignore every fact and Bible truth that undermines your hateful position as if they don't exist, and repeat at me your tired nonsense drawn from things that actually DON'T exist.
I dare you to surprise me Peter. Instead of doing as I predict you will, show me there's some trace of intelligence and honesty in that shrivelled hateful black hole you call a soul. Tell me you realize your mistakes and admit openly to all the lies and distortions you spread in God's name falsely.
But you won't, because God is not with you, and you will be as predictable as always and prove your worthlessness in God's eyes by insisting truth and facts are wrong and your lies and distortions are God's wishes and never directly addressing your crimes.
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Somehow Peter, based on your words and your behavior, your underhanded tactics and your one-note defense of those tactics "LALA I can't hear your facts because I';m doing what GOD wants!), I seriously doubt that you've ever actually sat down and thoroughly read the entire Bible. Like all rightwing (not really a) Christian bullies, you constantly parrot a handful of carefully selected quotes you can easily misconstrue while ignoring SO much more you'd never DARE try to justify in today's world, championing a message God never offered to defend deplorable dishonest behavior.
I however, have read the Bible in it's entirity, repeatedly, because unlike you and the fearful naive sheep you prey on with your lies, I prefer to actually educate myself on these matters so I know whereof I speak.
So let me educate you Peter, though I know you lack the moral conviction and courage to hear what I tell you and will very likely reply with smug holier than thou condemnations and your usual twisting of truth into conveniant lies and carefully evading any direct questions by answering questions YOU ask yourself so you never have to honestly answer questions that you know an honest answer to will shoot you in the foot.
So let's learn shall we?
There are 73 books in the Catholic Bible, old and new Testament. Of those 73 books, only 14 contain the actual words of Jesus Christ, and only 7 claim to contain words directly spoken by god.
Of the 14 that pertain directly to Jesus, 12 of those relate the exact same story as told by different people with different points of view.
In NONE of the 14 books of Jesus speaking or the 7 claiming the direct words of God is there ANYTHING that condemns homosexuality. There are in fact only two instances when God or Jesus mention homosexuality at all. Let's first tackle God's only mention.
Sodom was not destroyed because it's inhabitants practised homosexuality. It was destroyed because they were RAPISTS. Bad hosts in a desert city, raping any travellers that passed through, male, female and child alike. That people like you choose erroneously to focus on only the man on man rape is one of the biggest lies your ilk purport. The actual story of Lot makes it very clear that the rapoes the sodomites commited were about power and cruelty, and that when they raped men it had nothing to do with any same-sex attraction but their desire to humiliate their victims by rendering them useless into a woman's role as a man's sexual property. The story makes it VERY clear that the RAPE was what God abhorred, and that the victims of that rape were indiscriminate. Women and children were also raped, but people like you go out of your way to ignore this fact and try falsely to paint it as a story specifically condemning homosexuality when it is nothing of the sort. Why? Because if you acknowledge that it was RAPE God condemned, you give up some of your male privilege by having to acknowledge publicly that God did NOT intend for women to belong to men quite so implicitly, and that women do indeed have a God-Given RIGHT to reject a man's unwanted advances.
Now, let's look at Jesus. Jesus taught social justice, tolerance, acceptance. He taught that it was NOT for man to judge his fellow man, only for God. Another fact you conveniently forget in your hubris of claiming to do God's work. And the only time Jesus ever touched on homosexuality was when his disciple Paul thrice brought it up. Paul, much like many people suspect you to be, was a misogynistic self-hating homosexual. His writings frequently dismiss women as inferior while he laments the thorn in his heart. Three times he asked Jesus to remove the thorn, and always Jesus refused him, because there was nothing wrong with Paul living exactly as God had made him.
Yes Pete, that's JESUS CHRIST his damn self saying "God MADE Paul Gay and there is no sin in it". And Paul refused to accept the word of his Lord and lived a lonely miserable and bitter life, attacking others for his own flaws and treating women like the floor he walked upon.
Now, let'sexamine the other major Bible quote you and your type just love to beat into the ground. That nasty little Leviticus quote.
First of all, let's look at the English language. In the 1500's when the Bible was first translated into English, the words Lie and Lay were NOT interchangable as they have become today. Lay meant only to lay down, and Lie meant only to be dishonest. This is a VERY important distinction because if you know this INDISPUTABLE fact of language, (Lie did not come to have it's double meaning until early in the 20th century, beginning in the Depression with the garbled slang of the uneducated poor), then the meaning of the quote you bleat so much is changed entirely.
Keeping also in mind that King Leviticus was clearly a bitter obsessive misogynest who like so many writers of the Bible believed women were not even people and existed to be the sexual property of men at men's whim, the quote,
"Thou shall not lie with man as thou lie with women, for it is an abomination",
A quote that you insist is a condemnation of gay men, has nothing at all to do with gayness or sex. It's about dishonesty. It's the Bible's version of "Bros before hos dude!". The quote means simply since women are just property, lie to them all you like, but never to your fellow man.
Oh and one final very important note about King Leviticus; He was just a man, and never claimed to be speaking for God. He just lied and claimed to personally know what God supposedly told Moses so his people would fear him and obey. The laws and rules Leviticus spoke oif were his own, NOT God's. God clearly never wished for woman to be subjugated by men.
On to lesbians. Never mentioned once. Anywhere. NOT ONE SINGLE MENTION. Therefore God has no opinion about us at all. And as for Trans folk? Your own Namesake Peter. The APOSTLE Peter. He speaks of eunichs who act as if women and he does so with kindness and compassion. Such a pity you're too much the shallow bullying coward to live up to the sainted apostle for whom you were named.
Oh, one last lesson. Your "Sanctity of Marriage" crap? Not according to the Bible.
Mary and Joseph were not married.
Joseph of the coat of many colors had 4 wives, only one of whom he had any actual intimate feelings for.
King Solomon bedded his two own daughters.
Marriage in the Bible is frequently depicted as a business arrangement, and many loving couples in the Bible were not in fact married. The sanctity of marriage is something the Church made up in direct contrast to the Bible to give men a greater hold over their wives.
What's next? Ah yes. Why don't you ever talk about other things the Bible commands? Such as a father's right to sell his daughter into sexual slavery? Or stone your neighbor to death if he works on the Sabbath? Or how wearing clothing made of any MIXED FABRICS is a greivous sin? I've seen some of the cheap suits you wear Petey, you're certainly guilty of THAT one.
In closing, let me give you a few Bible Verses you ought to go read RIGHT NOW. If you claim to truly be a God-Fearing Christian, go and read what the BIBLE condones, and then tell me how much of it you really want to believe is God's idea.
Bible condoned RAPE.
Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)
Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
(Notice a running theme here being that all these writers are claiming that these deplorable acts are God's wishes. Funny how you never bring up THESE kinds of Bible passages so clearly pro-rape/slavery/theft/murder, but always cite quotes that I've proven have NOTHING to do with what you think they do)
Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)
God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
God-Approved Murder (At least according to the Bible)
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents 1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. 1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets 1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) (Hey! That one applies to folks like you who swore the earth would swallow us whole should Gay marriage ever be condoned. Funny, still waiting on that one.)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Funny how many of those murder rules are from Leviticus. And yet you harp on the lie quote ceaselessly. Why do you NEVER discuss all his other decrees? I know why. Because if you truly believed this was GOD'S word, you know you yourself would be worthy of death in God's eyes, as there is NO way you haven't committed at least one of these sins. This above all else proves what a cowardly hypocrite you truly are. You are likely gay and hate it, so you attack other gays falsely in the name of God by using blatant lies and distortions to convince foolish people too afraid to read for themselves to send you money. You sir, are a thief, a liar, a blasphemer, and are most certainly garaunteed a place in the lake of fire for your deplorable misdeeds.
Homosexuality is not condemned by God or Christ but by small fearful cowardly misogynist men like you. It exists in Nature, not just in humans, but in thousands of species, as a population control tool.
I of course, based on your history, fully expect you to either ignore my letter completely, or respond by ignoring any point you cannot argue away and instead insisting my being a lesbian ssomehow automatically negates all these TRUTHS I've offered you because I'm somehow rejecting God. You will blatantly ignore every fact and Bible truth that undermines your hateful position as if they don't exist, and repeat at me your tired nonsense drawn from things that actually DON'T exist.
I dare you to surprise me Peter. Instead of doing as I predict you will, show me there's some trace of intelligence and honesty in that shrivelled hateful black hole you call a soul. Tell me you realize your mistakes and admit openly to all the lies and distortions you spread in God's name falsely.
But you won't, because God is not with you, and you will be as predictable as always and prove your worthlessness in God's eyes by insisting truth and facts are wrong and your lies and distortions are God's wishes and never directly addressing your crimes.
5/31/2010
Predictable Cowardice In Defeat
As many of you know, I'm a laundry list of health problems, which generally limit my ability to function outside the house. So it's no surprise really that, aside of my wife, the internet comprises the bulk of my social life and human interaction. And while I'm certainly no stranger to trolls, as evidenced by past blogs about them, I do find a certain kind of trolling I was recently reminded enough very interesting in the current political climate south of the border.
Tea Party wingnuts down in Yankee-land make Stephen Harper's Conservatives look like the Bill Clinton fan club by comparison. Far right leaning people have a well documented history of seriously insane distortions of facts and outright lies in their attempt to force the rest of the world to revert to a fictional 1950's utopia of God-Fearing family values, women in the kitchen, blacks driving your car, mexicans in the garden and homosexuals rotting in a shallow grave. Their perfect world.
The reason this is on my mind is because of a couple idiots on YouTube, very right-wing in their political opinions, tried to out-argue me about whether Glenn Beck lies, the "horrors" of Obamacare, why their taxes shouldn't have to pay for the medical needs of lazy freeloaders, etcetera etcetera yadda yadda.
To the surprise of no intelligent person, I trounced their every argument, complete with evidence and facts to back me up. I outquoted the Bible to them, offered direct links to indisputable proof that Glenn Beck lies like he breathes, and offered first person knowledge of Canada's universal healthcare system and it's effectiveness while pointing out that the US could have had the same thing had Obama not caved in to right-wing paranoia and severely gutted the bill, so calling it Obamacare is unfair at best given it's a stunted castrated worthless bill designed to appease the paranoid delusions of the Rich Right.
The afore-mentioned specific trolling comes into play here. However insane their political ideology, I do believe at first they were at least attempting a legitimate debate with me. When I successfully trounced them at every turn with facts and logic, they lapsed into blatant trolling. They followed my username to a video of me talking about Entertainment Tonight's trans double standard, (Chaz Bono is brave and special, Alexsis Arquette is a joke and a freakshow, go figure), and resorted to insulting my weight, gender, sexuality, et al.
Get that? Because they failed to out-debate me, because they could not counter my points, because everyone else on the threads agreed I trounced them in the argument, the only way they felt they could save face was to try and undermine everything I said by mocking physical features of my body beyond my control and by suggesting my gender issues negate any political arguments I could make.
AND I QUOTE.
"People are laughing at your ugly ass. Are you a man or a woman? My guess is neither. You can't decide what you want to be and you want to discuss politics. Get fucking real."
"Oh my god. I dont know whether to laugh or to run for cover. That thing is hideous."
"You look like something from Tromaville or Wrong Turn. Somebody oughta club your libtard ass."
"How can anyone take you seriously? You chopped off your weiner for christ's sake."
So let's review; They had no facts that successfully countered me. They could not come up with any intelligent or logical rebuttal to my proof. They were so thoroughly trounced that they had two options. The option reasonable intelligent people take, which is to admit they were wrong about try to educate themselves better about the issues.
Clearly they did not choose this option. They, like about 95% of Teabaggers and Right-wing wingnuts always take.
Christian Right Playbook 101; When facts get in the way of your beliefs, NEVER bend to the facts because the facts are left wing liberal hippy lies. Instead point out somethhing arbitrary about the person who out-argued you, ridicule it relentlessly with crude immaturity and sexist/homophobic/transphobic rhetoric, and then suggest that because the person who trounced you is gay/trans/black/female/etc is obviously confused and has an agenda and should NEVER be taken seriously.
So, because I'm an intersexed woman, I apparently can't even decide what I am and therefore have no business discussing politics with them there white menfolk.
A-Hyuk y'all.
Tea Party wingnuts down in Yankee-land make Stephen Harper's Conservatives look like the Bill Clinton fan club by comparison. Far right leaning people have a well documented history of seriously insane distortions of facts and outright lies in their attempt to force the rest of the world to revert to a fictional 1950's utopia of God-Fearing family values, women in the kitchen, blacks driving your car, mexicans in the garden and homosexuals rotting in a shallow grave. Their perfect world.
The reason this is on my mind is because of a couple idiots on YouTube, very right-wing in their political opinions, tried to out-argue me about whether Glenn Beck lies, the "horrors" of Obamacare, why their taxes shouldn't have to pay for the medical needs of lazy freeloaders, etcetera etcetera yadda yadda.
To the surprise of no intelligent person, I trounced their every argument, complete with evidence and facts to back me up. I outquoted the Bible to them, offered direct links to indisputable proof that Glenn Beck lies like he breathes, and offered first person knowledge of Canada's universal healthcare system and it's effectiveness while pointing out that the US could have had the same thing had Obama not caved in to right-wing paranoia and severely gutted the bill, so calling it Obamacare is unfair at best given it's a stunted castrated worthless bill designed to appease the paranoid delusions of the Rich Right.
The afore-mentioned specific trolling comes into play here. However insane their political ideology, I do believe at first they were at least attempting a legitimate debate with me. When I successfully trounced them at every turn with facts and logic, they lapsed into blatant trolling. They followed my username to a video of me talking about Entertainment Tonight's trans double standard, (Chaz Bono is brave and special, Alexsis Arquette is a joke and a freakshow, go figure), and resorted to insulting my weight, gender, sexuality, et al.
Get that? Because they failed to out-debate me, because they could not counter my points, because everyone else on the threads agreed I trounced them in the argument, the only way they felt they could save face was to try and undermine everything I said by mocking physical features of my body beyond my control and by suggesting my gender issues negate any political arguments I could make.
AND I QUOTE.
"People are laughing at your ugly ass. Are you a man or a woman? My guess is neither. You can't decide what you want to be and you want to discuss politics. Get fucking real."
"Oh my god. I dont know whether to laugh or to run for cover. That thing is hideous."
"You look like something from Tromaville or Wrong Turn. Somebody oughta club your libtard ass."
"How can anyone take you seriously? You chopped off your weiner for christ's sake."
So let's review; They had no facts that successfully countered me. They could not come up with any intelligent or logical rebuttal to my proof. They were so thoroughly trounced that they had two options. The option reasonable intelligent people take, which is to admit they were wrong about try to educate themselves better about the issues.
Clearly they did not choose this option. They, like about 95% of Teabaggers and Right-wing wingnuts always take.
Christian Right Playbook 101; When facts get in the way of your beliefs, NEVER bend to the facts because the facts are left wing liberal hippy lies. Instead point out somethhing arbitrary about the person who out-argued you, ridicule it relentlessly with crude immaturity and sexist/homophobic/transphobic rhetoric, and then suggest that because the person who trounced you is gay/trans/black/female/etc is obviously confused and has an agenda and should NEVER be taken seriously.
So, because I'm an intersexed woman, I apparently can't even decide what I am and therefore have no business discussing politics with them there white menfolk.
A-Hyuk y'all.
5/04/2010
When Is One's Religion Okay To Attack?
(Crossposted as a Diary on PHB)
Since stepping up to Autumn Sandeen's defense, here, on Pam's House Blend, and on TS-Si, I've found that the hateful elitist bullies in the SRS MADE ME BETTER THAN YOU midset have become very personal.
Now despite the fact we've seen they'll howl bloody murder and demand that someone censor their opponents for imaginary TOS violations, (She pointed out that when I call Autumn a man, I sound like Peter LaBarbera! That's clearly a personal attack!), they are the first to engage in ACTUAL personal attacks. Whether or not they are aware of their hypocrisy or genuinely that oblivious, I'm truly not sure, but Leigh, the vaunted "Woman of History", (despite that I've never heard of her til now), decided to directly bring my religion into the argument.
Now I'm no stranger to religious arguments. And if someone tries to tell me I'm an abomination because the Bible says so I WILL fiercely attack their position, accuse them of abusing their religion, and point out one by one all the things I know about the Bible that they've intentionally misquoted to prove what the abused passage really says.
BUT, I will attack someone's religion ONLY if they first use it to attack me or to justify their attacks against me. If your entire basis for argument is "God says..." or "The Bible says..." or suchlike, I will attack your bullshit because that is abuse of religion and a religious belief alone is NOT a valid argument against my very existance.
I however, do not do that. I leave my faith out of arguments like these. You will NEVER hear me defend my stance in a debate by saying "Hedon says...". Why? Because my beliefs have no bearing on the facts being debated. My faith may personal give me strength and pause to fight these fights, but they are not my basis for argument.
I fight hate because my faith says I should because hate is wrong. I DEBATE a stance like the HOLEier Than Thou crowd are taking because the fact prove them wrong and the evidence shows their stance will do the fight for equality harm if left unanswered,
So when I've made my point so well WITH facts, logic and evidence that the haters cannot defeat me by out-debating me, they have to either mature enough to accept they've been proven wrong, or childishly cling to their bigotry by finding some way to discredit ME as a person so that anything I say is deflated by my not being taken seriously.
If you've read my blog you know I'm very public about my life. I hide prescious little. So there's plenty there for them to try and twist. So let's see...
Make fun of me being raped in juvey? Hmm... no, they COULD say I was probably just gay and enjoyed it, but even THEY know mocking rape would backfire on them hugely.
Ridicule my youthful mistakes? Nope, we all make them, it's not exactly a stable fallback position.
Oh I know! They could ridicule how a threesome with hot chicks somehow kicked my ass to start transitioning! Um... er.... no, that just... no then they'd have to talk about (EWWWWW) Sex!
So that leaves my faith. Which is small and obscure and to a skeptic even I admit looks like I probably made it up. The fact that I've met complete strangers who believe exactly as I do is inconsequential, my faith is small, pagan, and way out there, and I don't have a bajillion followers, so HAHAHA! Fair game! Let's make fun of what Penny believes in! That way people will just think she's some new-agey crackpot and no one will take her inarguable logic seriously therefore derailing any attempt she could ever make to defeat us!
And so that's what Leigh and at least one anonymous coward are resorting to. Despite the fact I myself never brought it up, they're now dismissing anything I say in a condescending tone because I believe in a Trinity Goddessthat is nature based and sex positive, and gender nuetral. And they dismiss me the way an insensitive grown-up dismisses their child's imaginary friend.
So when is one's religion okay to attack? Apparently when it's the only thing left you can nitpick against someone who was beating you just fine without it.
Even I don't actually attack my enemy's religion, I attack their direct misuse of it.
Apparently, those I've out-debated lack my moral character on that particular tactic.
Nothing says desperation more in a losing argument than having to attack something completely unrelated to win.
Since stepping up to Autumn Sandeen's defense, here, on Pam's House Blend, and on TS-Si, I've found that the hateful elitist bullies in the SRS MADE ME BETTER THAN YOU midset have become very personal.
Now despite the fact we've seen they'll howl bloody murder and demand that someone censor their opponents for imaginary TOS violations, (She pointed out that when I call Autumn a man, I sound like Peter LaBarbera! That's clearly a personal attack!), they are the first to engage in ACTUAL personal attacks. Whether or not they are aware of their hypocrisy or genuinely that oblivious, I'm truly not sure, but Leigh, the vaunted "Woman of History", (despite that I've never heard of her til now), decided to directly bring my religion into the argument.
Now I'm no stranger to religious arguments. And if someone tries to tell me I'm an abomination because the Bible says so I WILL fiercely attack their position, accuse them of abusing their religion, and point out one by one all the things I know about the Bible that they've intentionally misquoted to prove what the abused passage really says.
BUT, I will attack someone's religion ONLY if they first use it to attack me or to justify their attacks against me. If your entire basis for argument is "God says..." or "The Bible says..." or suchlike, I will attack your bullshit because that is abuse of religion and a religious belief alone is NOT a valid argument against my very existance.
I however, do not do that. I leave my faith out of arguments like these. You will NEVER hear me defend my stance in a debate by saying "Hedon says...". Why? Because my beliefs have no bearing on the facts being debated. My faith may personal give me strength and pause to fight these fights, but they are not my basis for argument.
I fight hate because my faith says I should because hate is wrong. I DEBATE a stance like the HOLEier Than Thou crowd are taking because the fact prove them wrong and the evidence shows their stance will do the fight for equality harm if left unanswered,
So when I've made my point so well WITH facts, logic and evidence that the haters cannot defeat me by out-debating me, they have to either mature enough to accept they've been proven wrong, or childishly cling to their bigotry by finding some way to discredit ME as a person so that anything I say is deflated by my not being taken seriously.
If you've read my blog you know I'm very public about my life. I hide prescious little. So there's plenty there for them to try and twist. So let's see...
Make fun of me being raped in juvey? Hmm... no, they COULD say I was probably just gay and enjoyed it, but even THEY know mocking rape would backfire on them hugely.
Ridicule my youthful mistakes? Nope, we all make them, it's not exactly a stable fallback position.
Oh I know! They could ridicule how a threesome with hot chicks somehow kicked my ass to start transitioning! Um... er.... no, that just... no then they'd have to talk about (EWWWWW) Sex!
So that leaves my faith. Which is small and obscure and to a skeptic even I admit looks like I probably made it up. The fact that I've met complete strangers who believe exactly as I do is inconsequential, my faith is small, pagan, and way out there, and I don't have a bajillion followers, so HAHAHA! Fair game! Let's make fun of what Penny believes in! That way people will just think she's some new-agey crackpot and no one will take her inarguable logic seriously therefore derailing any attempt she could ever make to defeat us!
And so that's what Leigh and at least one anonymous coward are resorting to. Despite the fact I myself never brought it up, they're now dismissing anything I say in a condescending tone because I believe in a Trinity Goddessthat is nature based and sex positive, and gender nuetral. And they dismiss me the way an insensitive grown-up dismisses their child's imaginary friend.
So when is one's religion okay to attack? Apparently when it's the only thing left you can nitpick against someone who was beating you just fine without it.
Even I don't actually attack my enemy's religion, I attack their direct misuse of it.
Apparently, those I've out-debated lack my moral character on that particular tactic.
Nothing says desperation more in a losing argument than having to attack something completely unrelated to win.
5/02/2010
A Reminder Of All I Stand For
A quick and easy refresher course on my beliefs for anyone who may care, given how uppity I've been this weekend since the TS-Si business began.
About the Trinity Of Hedon.
I: Reviving Hedon
II: Where Hedon Was
III: Precepts & Tenets
IV: Other Matters
V: On Other Faiths
VI: Our Hildays
VII: The Circle Binding
No belief in my Goddess or her aspects is obligatory to believe that the Hedon way of life is a good, tolerant and loving way to live.
You are of course welcome to think I'm completely nuts, but if so please just move on. No Hate Needed.
About the Trinity Of Hedon.
I: Reviving Hedon
II: Where Hedon Was
III: Precepts & Tenets
IV: Other Matters
V: On Other Faiths
VI: Our Hildays
VII: The Circle Binding
No belief in my Goddess or her aspects is obligatory to believe that the Hedon way of life is a good, tolerant and loving way to live.
You are of course welcome to think I'm completely nuts, but if so please just move on. No Hate Needed.
In Reply to Anonymous and Leigh
(Blogger is fucking up and refuses to publish this as a comment, on my own blog no less, and so I'm posting it as a new entry altogether)
Funny how the comment calling me a spoiled child for speaking the TRUTH was left Anonymously. I think that answers itself. Someone who lacks the courage to back up such a childish statement obviously has no valid rebuttal to my stance. For the record, the only way to get that comment posted would have been to remove the painfully accurate comparison of Evangelina and Josephine's garbage to what LaBarbera spouts on his website. If you change a few names and pronouns here and there, they are INTERCHANGABLE. The message here was "Stop pointing out things that prove our bigotry that we can't out-debate and we'll let your neutered post through so we can retain our delusions of superiority". You'll notice that the anonymous comment is utter crap directly attacking me without arguing any validity or logic, just being snide for snide's sake and I have left it completely intact. TS-Si lacked that conviction and in so doing proved their real stance. They are in fact, an elitist hate site.
As for Leigh, well, you've completely missed the point dear. I am NOT defending Transvestites/crossdressers claiming to be transsexual. I am drawing a line between tv/cd's and NON-OP Transsexuals LIKE Autumn. I do not personally hate TV/CD's, and I DO in fact dislike those among them who try to blur the line, as my blog entry from October titled "Transformations" clearly shows. My problem is with elitist post-ops basically lumping all who still have a penis together. Autumn Sandeen is NOT a transvestite or a crossdresser. She does NOT identify as a man. Crossdressers and Transvestites dress for sexual fetishism and do not do so 24/7, and except for those who are actuall transsexuals taking their first steps TOWARD being full-time, do not identify AS women. Autumn Sandeen DOES Identify as a woman. Full Time. Unlike most crossdressers (except for parties) Autumn goes out every day in public looking feminine, risking violence. A crossdresser can take off all his clothes and go back to blending in just fine as a man, a trans woman is never comfortable in masculinity.
The desire and will towards SRS is NOT the one lone and sole marker of being a transsexual. It is as I have stated, a TREATMENT. Getting SRS does not cure you, you will STILL be XY afterwards. You will be every bit as much a woman in your heart, mind and soul as you were before SRS, but you will always be physically male. The ONLY reason for one to believe in SRS as the end-all be-all cure is insecurity in your own identity. SRS is a viuable treatment. If it wasn't for the fact it'll kill me I'd happily get my genitals fixed, but NOT because I think it will somehow magically make me more real as a woman. I'm ALREADY a "real" woman. I just happen to not like having a penis. To meet it feels wrong, to ME, Personally. This does NOT automatically mean I think someone who can shrug it off is less a woman than me. It is JUST A LUMP OF FLESH. It does NOT define me nor anyone else. And for the record Leigh, you don't have to be Trans in ANY way to appreciate hurtful misgendering. I know lots of effeminate but heterosexual men who flip out when called She, and lots of androgynous women who are deeply hurt when called sir. Gender is very much NOT as black & white as the staff of TS-Si wish to believe. They ARE infact saying Non-ops don't count by immediately dismissing ANY Trans woman with no need or desire for SRS as a transvestive/Crossdresser. As a MAN IN A DRESS. An insult I know they have heard personally and been hurt by. That they can do thisd and insist there is no bigotry involved, and while forgetting everything they endured to reach where they are now, is appalling. I'm happy you got your SRS 25 years ago Leigh, but it did not MAKE you a woman, you have always BEEN a woman, and still would be now even if SRS had never been pheasible for you. And I'm glad Autumn will stand up for our issues even if I disagree with her methods sometimes, because women like you and the staff of TS-Si certainly aren't lifting a finger to fight for our rights. You seem to think SRS cured you and now you're just ordinary women and could care less about those of us still struggling for acceptance. So if YOU won't stand up for Trans rights, SOMEONE has to. It may as well be Autumn, she certainly has a lot more character than women like "Josephine". Josephine spouts clearly hateful bile behind a childish and mildly homophobic nom de plume. Autumn gracefully and with class rebuked that bile without lowering herself to it using the name on her ID.
I'm sorry but those are the facts, and TS-Si remains in the wrong. Attacking me like spoiled children for saying so bluntly will not make them any less wrong Anonymous. And Leigh, thank you for a mature reply even though we disagree, I hope you think seriously on what I've said.
Funny how the comment calling me a spoiled child for speaking the TRUTH was left Anonymously. I think that answers itself. Someone who lacks the courage to back up such a childish statement obviously has no valid rebuttal to my stance. For the record, the only way to get that comment posted would have been to remove the painfully accurate comparison of Evangelina and Josephine's garbage to what LaBarbera spouts on his website. If you change a few names and pronouns here and there, they are INTERCHANGABLE. The message here was "Stop pointing out things that prove our bigotry that we can't out-debate and we'll let your neutered post through so we can retain our delusions of superiority". You'll notice that the anonymous comment is utter crap directly attacking me without arguing any validity or logic, just being snide for snide's sake and I have left it completely intact. TS-Si lacked that conviction and in so doing proved their real stance. They are in fact, an elitist hate site.
As for Leigh, well, you've completely missed the point dear. I am NOT defending Transvestites/crossdressers claiming to be transsexual. I am drawing a line between tv/cd's and NON-OP Transsexuals LIKE Autumn. I do not personally hate TV/CD's, and I DO in fact dislike those among them who try to blur the line, as my blog entry from October titled "Transformations" clearly shows. My problem is with elitist post-ops basically lumping all who still have a penis together. Autumn Sandeen is NOT a transvestite or a crossdresser. She does NOT identify as a man. Crossdressers and Transvestites dress for sexual fetishism and do not do so 24/7, and except for those who are actuall transsexuals taking their first steps TOWARD being full-time, do not identify AS women. Autumn Sandeen DOES Identify as a woman. Full Time. Unlike most crossdressers (except for parties) Autumn goes out every day in public looking feminine, risking violence. A crossdresser can take off all his clothes and go back to blending in just fine as a man, a trans woman is never comfortable in masculinity.
The desire and will towards SRS is NOT the one lone and sole marker of being a transsexual. It is as I have stated, a TREATMENT. Getting SRS does not cure you, you will STILL be XY afterwards. You will be every bit as much a woman in your heart, mind and soul as you were before SRS, but you will always be physically male. The ONLY reason for one to believe in SRS as the end-all be-all cure is insecurity in your own identity. SRS is a viuable treatment. If it wasn't for the fact it'll kill me I'd happily get my genitals fixed, but NOT because I think it will somehow magically make me more real as a woman. I'm ALREADY a "real" woman. I just happen to not like having a penis. To meet it feels wrong, to ME, Personally. This does NOT automatically mean I think someone who can shrug it off is less a woman than me. It is JUST A LUMP OF FLESH. It does NOT define me nor anyone else. And for the record Leigh, you don't have to be Trans in ANY way to appreciate hurtful misgendering. I know lots of effeminate but heterosexual men who flip out when called She, and lots of androgynous women who are deeply hurt when called sir. Gender is very much NOT as black & white as the staff of TS-Si wish to believe. They ARE infact saying Non-ops don't count by immediately dismissing ANY Trans woman with no need or desire for SRS as a transvestive/Crossdresser. As a MAN IN A DRESS. An insult I know they have heard personally and been hurt by. That they can do thisd and insist there is no bigotry involved, and while forgetting everything they endured to reach where they are now, is appalling. I'm happy you got your SRS 25 years ago Leigh, but it did not MAKE you a woman, you have always BEEN a woman, and still would be now even if SRS had never been pheasible for you. And I'm glad Autumn will stand up for our issues even if I disagree with her methods sometimes, because women like you and the staff of TS-Si certainly aren't lifting a finger to fight for our rights. You seem to think SRS cured you and now you're just ordinary women and could care less about those of us still struggling for acceptance. So if YOU won't stand up for Trans rights, SOMEONE has to. It may as well be Autumn, she certainly has a lot more character than women like "Josephine". Josephine spouts clearly hateful bile behind a childish and mildly homophobic nom de plume. Autumn gracefully and with class rebuked that bile without lowering herself to it using the name on her ID.
I'm sorry but those are the facts, and TS-Si remains in the wrong. Attacking me like spoiled children for saying so bluntly will not make them any less wrong Anonymous. And Leigh, thank you for a mature reply even though we disagree, I hope you think seriously on what I've said.
5/01/2010
T-Si Censors Me In Pure Cowardice
And Ironically in doing so completely validates the argument I put forth in my last blog entry.
This is the text of the e-mail the T-Si site owner sent me. It includes the full text of the comment of mine that she deleted and the supposed TOS violations she claims justify the censorship. Decide for yourselves.
***********************************************
> Penny,
>
>
>
> Your comment on TS-Si.org, posted to "Autumn
>
> ns> Sandeen (did not) Die For Your Sins", located at
> http://ts-si.org/guest-columns/24747-autumn-sandeen-did-not-die-
> for-your-sin
> s,
>
> has been placed on moderation pending resolution of Terms of Usage
> Violations. The comment was posted at 2010-04-30 18:36:17 under
> the title
> "Evangelia, you just proved my point for me."
>
>
>
> The comment text contains excessively personal attacks, invidious
> comparisons, and potentially libelous statements. Please
> consider revising
> the text and resubmitting it at your convenience. For
> convenience, we have
> included (below) your original text and our terms.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
>
>
>
> Sharon S. Gaughan
>
> TS-Si Co-Founder, VP & Executive Director
>
> Managing Editor, TS-Si.org
>
>
>
>
>
> ORIGINAL COMMENT TEXT
>
>
>
> "Evangelia, you just proved my point for me." By Penny
> Sautereau-Fife
>
>
>
> You just sounded EXACTLY like every Christian, Republican, Rad-
> Fem hate
> blogger justifying their bigotry. A bigot never THINKS they're a
> bigot no
> matter how many people say otherwise. And as I have not attacked
> you, only
> your behavior, your sudden shift into subtly being derogatory
> towards me
> personally is even more telling. You are in fact, being very
> much a bigot by
> insisting stubbornly to misgender Autumn and adamantly refusing
> to change
> such hatemongering unless Autumn changes to conform to what YOU
> believe. But
> no, you're not bigoted at all are you. Just like a Christian
> vehementlycondemning homosexuality isn't being a bigot because
> gee gosh, they're
> attacking the SIN of homosexuality, not the homosexuals themselves!
>
>
>
> Like it or not your words just now have effectively proven me
> right. Change
> a few names here and there and that reply could have as easily
> been one of
> Matt Barber or Peter LaBarbera's anti-gay rants.
>
>
>
> You believe whatever you like personally about Autumn, but as
> long as you
> repeatedly, wilfully and intentionally misgender her and justify with
> euphemisms, backpedalling and frankly, utter double-talking hair-
> splittingbullshit to swear up and down you're not being hateful
> towards her, you
> cannot fairly expect anyone to take you yourself seriously. I
> could very
> easily play the "I have a uterus so I'm more real than you"
> card, but I
> don't. Because I am not a bigot. If you say you live full-time
> 24/7 as a
> woman, I accept that because it's how you identify yourself.
> Your genitals,
> whatever they might be, are none of my damned business, and even
> if you told
> me every 5 minutes what's in your pants well, it may make
> me sick of you as
> a person, but I won't call you sir because it annoys me. Autumn lives
> full-time in a female role. She does not do this for sexual
> gratification.She risks violence every time she leaves the
> house. That would not change if
> she got srs. srs is NOT the cure to transsexuality, it is simply
> one of the
> possible treatments. Autumn identifies as female. THAT is what
> you and
> Josephine keep attacking. You point out her tactics, character
> flaws and
> issues as secondary to what offends you most, her lack of SRS.
> THAT is my
> issue with you. THAT is bigotry and hatemongering. You misgender
> her out of
> your personal biases, and any valid points you have about
> Autumn's other bs
> is immediately rendered secondary and pointless. Even if Autumn
> did get SRS,
> her character flaws would still be there. What would be your
> excuse then?
> Would your complaint become then "You got your pussy now shut up
> and go
> stealth like the rest of us"?
>
>
>
> Not that I expect you to get it. I've read all you and J's rebuttals.
> Between pseudo-babble and snide condescending dismissals, you
> think you're
> defending yourselves against my points but in fact just proving
> them. I've
> dissected every tripe argument you throw at me, you're still
> dodging the
> root issue.
>
>
>
> The presentation of your criticisms of Autumn's behavior,
> however valid in
> point, is rendered null by the clear and blatant bigotry and
> hatred you're
> displaying. You are doing to her something you personally know
> hurts deeply
> because it's likely been done to you and hurt you. That above
> all else is my
> biggest issues with this garbage. You KNOW you're being hurtful
> and instead
> of apologising and focusing on Autumn's self-serving behavior,
> you instead
> go the right-wing asshole route of trying to explain why your
> clear bigotry
> isn't really bigotry.
>
>
>
> Try again. This time use the brain you clearly posess and look
> at my points
> instead of dismissing them so you don't have to admit you fucked up.
>
>
>
>
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>
> TERMS OF USE: TS-Si.org
>
>
>
> TS-Si welcomes responsible comments.
>
>
>
> We encourage lively, open debate, but ask that you show respect
> for others.
> We often publish material that presents challenges and insights
> worthy of
> extended discussion. This can be done with emotional maturity and
> intelligence.
>
>
>
> Before commenting on an article, please read it thoroughly and
> stay on
> topic. Address the issues without presumptions about the
> author(s) or other
> persons.
>
>
>
> We reserve the right to remove a comment that is off-topic, abusive,
> exceptionally incoherent, libelous, mysogonist, phobic, profane, or
> otherwise inappropriate.
>
>
>
> By submitting your comments we reserve the right, at our sole
> discretion, to
> change, modify, add, or delete your comments at any time without
> furthernotice. Some comments may be reprinted elsewhere in the site.
>
>
>
> The previously mentioned abuses and/or any attempt to post a
> solicitationsand/or advertising, flood, spam, or otherwise
> disrupt TS-Si.org operations
> are subject to further sanctions.
>
>
>
> All comments input into the TS-Si.org comment facility are
> copyrighted by
> TS-Si, Inc. These Terms of Use are subject to modification at
> any time and
> at our discretion.
****************************************************************
If you read through the comments section on the original offending article here, you will see many comments that contain more direct personal attacks than anything I said, including the last comment by Evangelina which my "offending comment" was a reply TO. Again, judge for yourself. Unlike SOME people, I'm not afraid to risk being disagreed with, as I have the figurative balls to stand by any point I make, and the strength to admit when I'm proven to be misguided or outright mistaken. Sadly the staff of T-Si seems to not share that particular moral fibre. I'm FAR from perfect, but I'm no coward.
This is the text of the e-mail the T-Si site owner sent me. It includes the full text of the comment of mine that she deleted and the supposed TOS violations she claims justify the censorship. Decide for yourselves.
***********************************************
> Penny,
>
>
>
> Your comment on TS-Si.org, posted to "Autumn
>
> ns> Sandeen (did not) Die For Your Sins", located at
> http://ts-si.org/guest-columns/24747-autumn-sandeen-did-not-die-
> for-your-sin
> s,
>
> has been placed on moderation pending resolution of Terms of Usage
> Violations. The comment was posted at 2010-04-30 18:36:17 under
> the title
> "Evangelia, you just proved my point for me."
>
>
>
> The comment text contains excessively personal attacks, invidious
> comparisons, and potentially libelous statements. Please
> consider revising
> the text and resubmitting it at your convenience. For
> convenience, we have
> included (below) your original text and our terms.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
>
>
>
> Sharon S. Gaughan
>
> TS-Si Co-Founder, VP & Executive Director
>
> Managing Editor, TS-Si.org
>
>
>
>
>
> ORIGINAL COMMENT TEXT
>
>
>
> "Evangelia, you just proved my point for me." By Penny
> Sautereau-Fife
>
>
>
> You just sounded EXACTLY like every Christian, Republican, Rad-
> Fem hate
> blogger justifying their bigotry. A bigot never THINKS they're a
> bigot no
> matter how many people say otherwise. And as I have not attacked
> you, only
> your behavior, your sudden shift into subtly being derogatory
> towards me
> personally is even more telling. You are in fact, being very
> much a bigot by
> insisting stubbornly to misgender Autumn and adamantly refusing
> to change
> such hatemongering unless Autumn changes to conform to what YOU
> believe. But
> no, you're not bigoted at all are you. Just like a Christian
> vehementlycondemning homosexuality isn't being a bigot because
> gee gosh, they're
> attacking the SIN of homosexuality, not the homosexuals themselves!
>
>
>
> Like it or not your words just now have effectively proven me
> right. Change
> a few names here and there and that reply could have as easily
> been one of
> Matt Barber or Peter LaBarbera's anti-gay rants.
>
>
>
> You believe whatever you like personally about Autumn, but as
> long as you
> repeatedly, wilfully and intentionally misgender her and justify with
> euphemisms, backpedalling and frankly, utter double-talking hair-
> splittingbullshit to swear up and down you're not being hateful
> towards her, you
> cannot fairly expect anyone to take you yourself seriously. I
> could very
> easily play the "I have a uterus so I'm more real than you"
> card, but I
> don't. Because I am not a bigot. If you say you live full-time
> 24/7 as a
> woman, I accept that because it's how you identify yourself.
> Your genitals,
> whatever they might be, are none of my damned business, and even
> if you told
> me every 5 minutes what's in your pants well, it may make
> me sick of you as
> a person, but I won't call you sir because it annoys me. Autumn lives
> full-time in a female role. She does not do this for sexual
> gratification.She risks violence every time she leaves the
> house. That would not change if
> she got srs. srs is NOT the cure to transsexuality, it is simply
> one of the
> possible treatments. Autumn identifies as female. THAT is what
> you and
> Josephine keep attacking. You point out her tactics, character
> flaws and
> issues as secondary to what offends you most, her lack of SRS.
> THAT is my
> issue with you. THAT is bigotry and hatemongering. You misgender
> her out of
> your personal biases, and any valid points you have about
> Autumn's other bs
> is immediately rendered secondary and pointless. Even if Autumn
> did get SRS,
> her character flaws would still be there. What would be your
> excuse then?
> Would your complaint become then "You got your pussy now shut up
> and go
> stealth like the rest of us"?
>
>
>
> Not that I expect you to get it. I've read all you and J's rebuttals.
> Between pseudo-babble and snide condescending dismissals, you
> think you're
> defending yourselves against my points but in fact just proving
> them. I've
> dissected every tripe argument you throw at me, you're still
> dodging the
> root issue.
>
>
>
> The presentation of your criticisms of Autumn's behavior,
> however valid in
> point, is rendered null by the clear and blatant bigotry and
> hatred you're
> displaying. You are doing to her something you personally know
> hurts deeply
> because it's likely been done to you and hurt you. That above
> all else is my
> biggest issues with this garbage. You KNOW you're being hurtful
> and instead
> of apologising and focusing on Autumn's self-serving behavior,
> you instead
> go the right-wing asshole route of trying to explain why your
> clear bigotry
> isn't really bigotry.
>
>
>
> Try again. This time use the brain you clearly posess and look
> at my points
> instead of dismissing them so you don't have to admit you fucked up.
>
>
>
>
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>
> TERMS OF USE: TS-Si.org
>
>
>
> TS-Si welcomes responsible comments.
>
>
>
> We encourage lively, open debate, but ask that you show respect
> for others.
> We often publish material that presents challenges and insights
> worthy of
> extended discussion. This can be done with emotional maturity and
> intelligence.
>
>
>
> Before commenting on an article, please read it thoroughly and
> stay on
> topic. Address the issues without presumptions about the
> author(s) or other
> persons.
>
>
>
> We reserve the right to remove a comment that is off-topic, abusive,
> exceptionally incoherent, libelous, mysogonist, phobic, profane, or
> otherwise inappropriate.
>
>
>
> By submitting your comments we reserve the right, at our sole
> discretion, to
> change, modify, add, or delete your comments at any time without
> furthernotice. Some comments may be reprinted elsewhere in the site.
>
>
>
> The previously mentioned abuses and/or any attempt to post a
> solicitationsand/or advertising, flood, spam, or otherwise
> disrupt TS-Si.org operations
> are subject to further sanctions.
>
>
>
> All comments input into the TS-Si.org comment facility are
> copyrighted by
> TS-Si, Inc. These Terms of Use are subject to modification at
> any time and
> at our discretion.
****************************************************************
If you read through the comments section on the original offending article here, you will see many comments that contain more direct personal attacks than anything I said, including the last comment by Evangelina which my "offending comment" was a reply TO. Again, judge for yourself. Unlike SOME people, I'm not afraid to risk being disagreed with, as I have the figurative balls to stand by any point I make, and the strength to admit when I'm proven to be misguided or outright mistaken. Sadly the staff of T-Si seems to not share that particular moral fibre. I'm FAR from perfect, but I'm no coward.
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