An Enemy Defects

Crossposted on Pam's House Blend

Those of you who regularly read this blog know of my run-ins with National Organization For Marriage spokesman Louis J. Marinelli. For a refresher course, go here, here, here, here, and here.

Well now I can finally happily say Louis has learned his lesson. I don't know what brought him around, but Louis no longer supports the anti-gay anti-marriage equality movement not NOM. He's come around and apologized for his anti-gay activism.

Out friend Jeremy Hooper of Good As You has an interview up with Louis. Just click the clicky to read the full chat they had. Of particular relevance to me was this statement.

"Whether it is an issue of disbelief, shame or embarrassment, the one thing that is for sure is that I have come to this point after several months of an internal conflict with myself. That conflict gradually tore away at me until recently when I was able to, for the first time simply admit to myself that I do in fact support civil marriage equality for all.

While I have come to terms with this reality internally, speaking about it, even with the closest members of my family, has proven to be something difficult for me to do.

In short, if there is an issue of disbelief surrounding my newfound support for civil marriage equality, it is disbelief from those who surround me. If there is an issue of shame, it is a result of acknowledging the number of people I have targeted, hurt and oppressed. And if there is an issue of embarrassment, its roots lie in the face-to-face encounters I have had and expect to have with those with whom I once toiled over this very contentious issue."

I applaud Louis for this. It's one thing to realize that you're on the wrong side of an issue. It's one thing to accept that you have contributed vociferously to real harm done to the lives of good people. But to find the courage, the strength of character, to stand up in public and say "I was wrong and I'm sorry", well, that takes courage. Courage I'll admit I never thought Louis could have. And I am ridiculously proud he proved me wrong. I have never been more happy in my life to be mistaken about something.

So thank you Louis, not only for realizing the truth, but for having the balls to admit it publicly. Words matter, and some as anti-gay as you once were standing up in public and saying you were wrong can effect others. You might actually reach more people than we can. Any hater can ignore us telling them they're wrong, but when one of their own says "We're on the wrong side of this fight", they might just stop for a moment and listen.

Thank you Louis. From the bottom of my heart, thank you for waking up.

Louis Marinelli Caught Lying AGAIN (In Other News, Ducks Quack)

Crossposted on Pam's House Blend

So Louis has been aggressively censoring new comments on his blog. Mostly from me, the most hateful lesbian he's met. No shock there. He let a few of my comments through one day presumably thinking that doing so would prove he wasn't singling me out for censorship. Specifically comments that included my accusing him of censorship for not allowing several other prior comments through. For once in his misbegotten life, he actually addressed something I said. This is what Louis posted to justify censoring me.



Now of course we all know this is complete bullshit on his part. Calling someone a liar when you've provided actual proof they lied is NOT a personal attack, and I go OUT OF MY WAY to not swear or cuss on his blog specifically to prevent him having an excuse to censor me. Of course since he HAS censored me, and moreso has PUBLICLY ADMITTED TO DOING SO, he shot himself in the foot once again.

Sure he can claim every comment of mine he censored was full of nothing but me saying "Louis you're a fucking moronic piece of shit", (which incidentally is a true description of him but I have NEVER said anything close to resembling it on his blog), but since he, by his own admission, HAS censored them, he now cannot prove his claims.

This however is not actually the lie I caught him in, since, with my comments not approved, I can't prove I DIDN'T cuss at him and I know it. However...

Louis' excuse for censoring all but a bare handful of my comments is his claim that he will not publish comments that, in his words, "include offensive language or personal attacks. That type of language is unnecessary".

And the very next day, Louis proved he was lying, when he allowed this anonymous homophobia to go through.



Caught you again Louis. Or is your cesorship policy to cover only "offensive language or personal attacks" against those who side with you, but perfectly acceptable when derogatory towards your opponents?

Once again, Louis J. Marinelli; A proven Liar, a Moral Coward, a pathetic excuse for a human being.

The Predictable Tactics of Beaten Cowards

Crossposted on Pam's House Blend

UPDATE 2- Louis Marinelli has re-opened his blog, and, to his credit, realized how bad it looked to have wiped out hundreds of comments, especially ones that proved his bigotry and deception, and has replaced every single deleted comment unedited, including those which prove what he denies about his motives and actions. I'm a fair woman and will give credit where it's due. While I won't delete the parts of this blog entry about his deleting comments in the first place, because he DID do so, I wwill publicly commend Louis for finally showing he can be capable of honesty once in awhile.

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No one with any modicum of intelligence and common sense believes the lies and distortions spread by the National Organization For Marriage and other allegedly civilized anti-equality groups like it. That's pretty much a given. I don't even need to point out all the abundance of proof out there that confirms the hypocrisy and bigotry that makes them all weepy whenever someone rightfully points it out and calls them bigots. Blogs all over the blogosphere have already dissected them in spades. Blogs like Good As You, Box Turtle Bulletin, Pam's House Blend, (which I occasionally cross-post to), and Holy Bullies & Headless Monsters all have numerous entries completely taking apart NOM's lies, fact-distortions, victim-claiming, and bullying. The evidence is out there.

No, THIS blog is about two specific big-time losers amonst the haters, who challenged me publicly, failed miserably, and tried desperately to spindoctor things to paint me as an emotional homofacsist who couldn't beat their arguments and resorted to screaming obscenities at them.

Of course since both men in question deleted major chunks of our conversation in history in their respective, (but far from respectable) blogs, they certainly can't prove that claim.

The two men, (and I use that term very loosely given their behavior), in question are self-proclaimed then vehemently denied NOM strategist Louis J Marinelli, and generally ignored and unheard of hate blogger and self-proclaimed hetero-separatist Carl Morris, AKA Mantronikk.

Both men are passionate bigots, hatemongers spreading fear through lies and distortions, both of whom swear up and down they aren't bigots or haters or liars but just good honest men fighting to protect traditional marriage from selfish gay folks. They don't HATE us mind you, they just expect us to believe their beliefs have more weight to define marriage law than true civil equality does.

I will pause for a moment while you all get your maniacal laughter under control.

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Okay, now that we've all laughed at the silly whining little bullies claims of persecution, let's get to the meat of things.

Both of these men have, in their arrogance, publicly challenged me, (why I don't know, Pam or Alvin or Timothy are FAR more famous and could get the little weasels a LOT more press than an obscure paegan blogger like me ever could), to a debate (Carl) and to prove dishonesty (Louis). Both men were convinced of their superiority. Both men failed, BIG time.

First of all, as I said in my update last night to my last blog entry, Carl proved very clearly, in his own words, on his own blog, and in the comments of said last blog entry of mine, that, while publicly challenging me to a mature intelligent debate over marriage equality, his only real goal was to attempt to goad me into screaming at him so he could dismiss me as a nutjob with no valid points.

He of course failed miserably. Instead of freaking out on him, I continued to post, calmly pointing out his hypocrisy, and telling him our debate was on hold until he apologised for unneccesary childish insults like "The She-Man of Hedon" and "The Shemale of Heroin", agree to keep the discussion civil, and I would happily continue the debate. Predictably he tried to twist this into me making excuses to flee the debate in tears because I couldn't refute any of his claims. I once again, on his blog, my blog, and even Louis' blog where Carl first issued the challenge, that I was more than happy to continue once he apologised, and that the debate was on hold only because of his refusal to do so.

Realizing that he could not bully me into playing his game his way, and that he was NOT going to get the big nutjob freakout he needed to discredit me, he posted a blog publicly admitting that he deleted my last three comments, citing my refusal to answer one of his deceitful questions, of course completely disavowing the whole part about me simply waiting for him to apologise, which included me PROMISING to answer that very question once he did so. Like a true collossal failure he honestly believes he beat me while being completely oblivious to how his VERY OWN WORDS prove his bigotry and his failure to even come close to challenging me, let alone beating me. As evidenced by his childish comment to Louis' blog last night.



He followed up with the even more delusional "I've already banned her from my blog. She's all about her emotions and false accusations and name-calling. I think I'm finally rid of her. ". Sorry Carl, but the facts and evidence prove otherwise.

On the subject of Louis' blog, you might notice the comments section in that screencap looks different. That would bge because Louis completely deleted his entire blog's ENTIRE COMMENT HISTORY and switched from the default Google/Blogspot comment system to Disqus.

Except as we all know, Louis isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and his attempts to censor and distort the truth often backfire on him. First of all, I'm hardly the only one who's pointed out the sudden mysterious disappearance of hundreds of comments that wipe the floor with Louis' failed lies and prove his deception and bigotry. Secondly, while he himself has not, and of course will never acknoweldge the deletion, or that any older comments ever existed, (I'll bet money he swears there were no comments on his blog ever prior to adding Dusqus if pressed for a comment), his lack of thorough thought has screwed him once again as it has so many times before.

Ironically, on a blog entry targetting me to begin with. And after deleting his blog's comment history, he predictably forgot to go back and edit THIS blog. Why is that important?


Because Louis used a screencap of one of my now-deleted comments to his blog, proving unequivicobly that comments against his lies did in fact exist prior to yesterday, and that he did in fact wipe them all out like a coward.

Oh and notice how in that first screencap a few paragraphs back how Louis admits, (though for fabricated reasons) that he can't wait to blacklist me? Yeah Louis, censorship is the biggest indicator of a coward. When you cannot with fact or logic refute the facts and logic used to counter your stance, a reasonable intelligent person adapts his stance to the facts. An unreasonable bullying coward distorts the facts until they suit his stance.

Carl, Louis, you are both unreasonable men. You have both been caught lying, and even better, like the idiots you sadly are, you yourselves both confirmed everything I say about you IN YOUR OWN WORDS. You've both publicly said things that, while in your delusional worlds were awesome witty dismissals of me, were in fact only successful in vindicating me and destroying your lies. You yourselves have caused your straw houses to crumble. And all I had to do was confront you with facts that you can't ignore or distort, and you both fell apart like Legos.

Anyone can just point at a hater and say "That is a hateful bigot". But when you can use brutal honesty to trick the haters into revealing their hate and bigotry plain as day in their own words, it's truly a beautiful thing.

Louis' credibility, while never very high to begin with, is now completely destroyed. And Carl's poorly planned attempt to discredit me and get some internet fame at my expense backfired horribly. Both men, through their very own words and actions, have proven them to be lying, dishonest, hateful homophobic bullies. And all I had to do was tell the truth to make them do so.

Louis believes all gay folks are polygamous pedophiles. Carl thinks all gays are facsists trying to destroy society. And both men claim they are neither liars, bigots nor hateful. Louis has tried to dismiss me by saying my marriage isn't real so he isn't obligated to answer marriage questions I ask him. Carl posted this bullshit in response to someone pointing out to him that he was in fact holding the debate hostage by demanding an answer in exchange for his apology.

"I wouldv'e been happy to have an adult debate with the delusions-of-grandeur-having "Shaman," until she spoke to me with contempt. I normally don't play these type of juvenile games, but I'm also not going to wear a tuxedo in a bar fight. The "Shaman" will not answer my SIMPLE question about someone teaching HER kids that homosexuality was wrong without her consent and seeks to distract me from that fact with false accusations of "bigotry" and "hatemongering" and a avalanche of words that still don't answer my simple question. I've gone out of my way to denounce hatred in my manifesto (click on the "h" to see it), the definition of a "heteroseparatist," and my logo, and the "Shaman" comes at me accusing me of hate. She's just mad that I was able to alter ONE letter of her lofty title and add a hyphen and collapse her huge ego. And the fact that she is definitely not a lipstick/feminine lesbian only added to the strength of my improvised-psychological-device. I'm done trying to get through to abusive homofascists, hence the creation of my word/website/blog/concept...heteroSEPARATIST. I don't want to fight anyone, but when I'm cornered and attacked, I'm going to really surprise my attacker".

And yet HIS OWN BLOG offers an abundance of proof that he is lying through his teeth. As I pointed out yesterday, he was juvenile and derogatory before the debate even began, and my so-called contempt was simply my brutal honesty dissecting his anti-gay claims. I suggest checking out the comments I left that he did put through and has yet to delete for proof of this.

But then what can you expect from a guy who cites Peter LaBarbera and his ilk as exoperts on homosexuality?

For the record, here is his definition of a Hetero-Separatist, as taken from his own website.

"heteroseparatist;

a: A person who rejects homofascism, homosexuality, and homophobia.

b: A person, entity, or organization that respectfully declines to associate with any or all divisions of the gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender community, but does not hate, fear, or persecute people that are GLBT.

c: A person who quietly shuns people and environments that are antihetero."

You know that sounds awfully familiar. Now where have I heard a statement like that before?

Sorry boys. You've both failed miserably, and you did so with your very own words and actions. And I'm still here, and I'm still an uppity lesbian, and I will still speak the truth whereever and whenever I can, and none of your lying or bullying or distortions will EVER shut me up.

The only way you will ever be rid of me is death. And even with a terminal illness, I am simply too goddamned stubborn to die.

Deal with it.

Louis Marinelli Shoots Himself In The Foot With His NOM Camera

Poor poor Louis. He's clearly getting desperate. He knows he looks like a liar even to his supporters now when he SWEARS he has no affiliation with NOM, even though he owns and is driving the RV that is taking NOM across the USA on their repulsive "Summer For Marriage" tour. Not to mention the ABUNDANCE of proof on the internet.

So since he knows he looks like a liar, (because he IS one), he needs to try to make himself look like a brave intrepid hero, (by lying even more), and use his trusty camera to prove how the po' innocent lil NOMbies are being victimized by the big bad Gay Agenda (™ & ©). The proble,? Any GOOD photagrapher, like ME for example, can use his own photos to prove his deception.

Now you should know that poor victimized Louis thinks I misrepresent and victimize him. He didn't like how my blog entry about him clearly revealed his hateful bullying hypocrisy and his fear of honesty, so he mumbled off a victimhood tweet and dared me to post our ENTIRE Twitter exchange so people could see who the "real hateful bully" was. Not expecting me to call his bluff, I scared him off completely when I said if he just gives me an honest answer to my original question, I'd do a blog entry of EVERY tweet he and I traded, in order. I never heard from him again. Likely because we all know an honest answer to my question stripped of his bullshit religious justifications would crumble his stance right out from underneath him. But that's no surprise of course, all over the net there is ABUNDANT proof that whenever Louis argues with someone smarter than him who can out-think and out-debate him at every level, when his bullshit is easily dissected and he can't argue the facts away, he goes silent and runs away like the coward he is rather than accept he's been proven wrong. Denial is his lifeblood.

So to be fair to poor victimized Louis, here's a link to his blog entry that I am about to rip to pieces, so he can't accuse me of misrepresenting him or taking him out of context.... you know, the way he does to everyone and everything else.

So let's start with his first photo of the Albany NOM event. While he tries to downplay YET another abyssmal turnout in Albany, ("Local supporters were happy with the turnout, explaining that downtown Albany is a "ghost town" on weekends."), he still uses this photo to attempt to make a couple dozen people seem like they could be hundreds.

Notice he makes it seem like more than 30 people showed up by carefully photographing the first row from an upward angle, just in front of the knees of the guy at the end of the line, aimed mostly towards the head of the guy at the other end in the second row. This is an old and common camera deception, designed specifically to give the visual cues to whoever sees the picture to make it look less sparse and thus trick your mind into imaging a much bigger crowd. So the NOM rally looks like it attracted hundreds, when maybe 30 people showed up at all. Deceptive Angle photography is a common trick, especially among less honest news photographers and Papparazzi, to create a visual that tricks your mind into perceiving something differently. This angle trick is a desperate attempt to make it appear they garnered more interest in their hate rally than they actually did.


Now, let's look at his second photo. Here he's trying to make one of NOM's many lie-spewing hatemongers, Doctor Jennifer Morse, ("She went on to make the points that kids need a mom and a dad and that moms and dads are not interchangeable. She said if you look at the studies that the gay lobby put out, they want you to believe that the only good man is a gay man.") Appear powerful and confident by shooting her from a lower angle, making her seem slightly imposing, but by stupidly trying to make sure the NOM banner is visible he also reveals the truth his first photo was designed to obscure; the abyssmal turnout. Look at those steps there behind her? See anyone sitting there? Nope, not a one. You would at a successful rally though. Those stairs would be full of cheering supporters if NOM had attracted a good crowd. But there they are, empty barren concrete steps, showing just how alone Dr. Morse really is up there spewing her distortions.


Photo number three is designed to make the pro-equality protesters who accompany the NOM hatefest around the country look like big scary bullies terrorizing poor Dr. Morse. ("Marching in organized single-file lines bearing umbrellas, the activists marched from behind and took over the stage where Dr. Morse and the other speakers were to be speaking. They didn't make much noise but did monopolize the stage area. Apparently, they were there without a permit which caused a few State Troopers to arrive and inform that they could not rally at that time and location without a permit. The police left the scene shortly afterwards, leaving the homosexual activists surrounding the podium.") Well Louis can't even keep his own lies straight. How does a straight line of people surround anything? Louis tried to make the protesters look rude and ominous by taking a low angle shot so they'd seem bigger than the speaker and appear threatening and imposing, but he failed to notice their backs are all turned. There is nothing LESS threatening than a guy with his back to you, wide open for you to stab him in it. Which of course you do figuratively every day right Louis boy? So once again, his attempt to lie through photography failed.

Oh and, in case no one was reading between the lines, Louis lied again when claiming the protesters had no permit and cops showed up. First of all, IF any cops really shopwed up, he'd have pictures of it and be posting them ad nauseum to show the noble officers protesting them all from the Pink Menance! Secondly, if they truly had no permits and cops showed up, they'd be forced to leave, not left on (*snickers*) Stage to protest. Honesty 3, Louis -5.

So at this point Lou must be realizing somewhere in his bitter tiny brain, that thse pics don't do enough to sway gullible people into supporting him and NOM. So he needs to blatantly make some shit up from scratch to villify t3h GaYz.

Here Louis shows us the big scary Labradours that a couple protesters brought with them to intimidate the supporters. AGAIN, a huge failure. While he tries to focus on the dogs, he makes a mistake his prior pictures should have alerted him to easily had he the actual talent to pull these frauds off. He let the dog-ownwers hands, shorts and legs be seen in his shot. This is photographic proof taken by his OWN camera that he made this up. Those dogs belong to park goers. He asked for a picture because they were wearing shorts like the protesters, but the protesters all stuck together for unity, they NEVER strayed off into smaller groups, safety in numbers. They stay close knit in case a nom supporter gets militant and starts a fight. And yes Lou, it WILL be a NOMmer who eventually throws the first punch. So knowing this, why are the dog owners not with the other protesters clearly visible behind them? Why do their shorts not exactly match those worn by any of the protesters? Because they were NOT protesters. They were two folks walking their dogs and not even close enough to the couple dozen NOM supporters to scare anyone.

(UPDATE; Louis posted another picture that does at least prove Protesters DO own the dogs, but that doesn't change anything. They're LABS for fuck's sake! The LEAST violent dog on the planet! Shitzus are more viscious! And his new picture proves they kept the dogs away from the NOMbies. So in proving the dogs DID belong to protesters, he inadvertantly proved they were NOT being used to intimidate. When you catch a man in his blatant lies and make him desperate top be able to say HA gotcha!, you make him even more careless. He COULD have posted this new picture on the original blog entry. He didn't. Why? BECAUSE this new pic proves the dogs were not being used to intimidate and he couldn't spew his bullshit to it.)

Oh, and finally, Louis' biggest attempt, (and biggest failure) to vilify us to drum up support.

So here we have some pro-equality protesters apparently bullying a poor innocent nursing mother, who just wants to clearly see the rally in peace. Says King Louis;

"Sitting on the grass with her three young kids, Maria, pictured to the right, was prohibited from viewing the rally from this line of homosexual activists who refused to move over a few feet to allow for a line of vision for the nursing mother. She asked them and we also asked them to stand slightly to the left or right out of respect for Maria but they wouldn't budge. One of them even threatened us when we asked them to move over. One of those 'you better not touch us' lines. Really classy."

His own photo kicks him square in the testicles with this bullshit lie. Let's review shall we?

The poor picked-on breastfeeding mother... who is....
Clearly not breastfeeding in this picture, unless she has nipples atop her shoulders, and also...


She's not even FACING the NOM rally, which is actually going on behind and to her right. If the protesters are blocking her view of anything, it's trees and grass.

God Louis you're not even trying anymore. Did you just hope no one would spot the NOM bus and the very same building where Dr. Morse was preaching bullshit was right there in the background of your photo clearly proving your are blatantly lying? And that woman, first of all, was clearly just a mother taking her family to the park. Second, she has a soft smile on her face so she's clearly not upset by the protesters. Third, the protesters you AGAIN shoot from a low angle to create the big threatening imposing figure illusion, are spaced visibly far enough apart that the woman could see past them with no problem. Yes Lou, the smiling woman chatting with the polite respectful protesters seems so put off and upset by her inability to see a rally she wasn't attending to begin with. Oh and let's not forget, her other kids are not showing any fear, upset or distress. They seem to be quite happily going on about their business. I doubt you said one word to the nice black mother Louis, and if you did I bet her only reply was "Fuck off you sleazy creep".

If I want this post to prove ANYTHING, well, besides what a lying hypocrite douchebag Lou is, it's that evil CAN be overcome by education. The more you learn reality, facts and science, the more you can spot the lies and distortions designed to keep you ignorant and afraid. This is why the Religious Right opposes so many things. Educated minds are harder to deceive. Texas just removed Thomas Jefferson from all American History books because he wasn't a Christian and had radical ideas the GOP doesn't want their kids exposed to lest they learn enough to see through the oppression they're raised to follow blindly.

Louis J. Marinelli is a liar. The proof of this is abundant and easy to find. He is also a mean-spirited bully and a hatemonger, using seriously outdate and discredited anti-gay research to justify calling us all pedophiles. And he is a huge spineless coward, who will run away from any argument he can't bullshit his way out of. When he preaches to the gullible sheep who believe his scary lies about us scary evil gay folk, no one questions him, no one challenges him. And it fuels his hateful ego.

But when he tries to convince educated people of his bullshit, like me on Twitter, or his many debates with Jeremy of Good As You, he fails and he fails hard, because we know his bullshit for what it is, and we counter it with facts and logic and reason that he can't bullshit away. And when as he often is, faced with the choice to accept the truth, admit his mistakes, and try to better his life, he always, ALWAYS, proves his bullying hatemongering cowardice by dodging hard questions with bullshit rhetoric, denying we offered any proof he's wrong, saying he doesn't need to humor anything we say because we're disordered pedophiles who will never be married or be really in love, and disappearing from the conversation going LALALALAICAN'THEARYOUUUUU. And he never replies again, he moves on to the next failure hoping some stupid person will believe his lies.

Maggie? Brian? THIS IS THE MAN YOU ARE IN BED WITH. And don't waste your energy denying it, once again, the proof is everywhere. Give up your hateful fight, accept that you ARE in fact bigots and are victims of NOTHING except your own paranoia, and let EVERYONE be EQUAL.