Crossposted on Pam's House Blend
(I have just sent this to my district's Member of Parliament, Sukh Dhaliwal. I encourage all my fellow Canadians to do the same with their local MP's. As Mercedes on Pam's said, you can find the contact info for your local MP by typing in your Postal Code here.)
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As a member of your constituency here in Surrey, a voter, and a member of the trans community, I implore you to vote to pass Bill C-389. This bill, despite the lies and fearmongering that members of the religious right are engaging in, is not going to let "men put on dresses so they can rape women in bathrooms and claim they're really trans women". That is utterly reprehensible fearmongering invented by religious bigots who distort faith to justify inequality. What it will do is provide protection and dignity to a very beleaguered class. As you are a person of color, I KNOW you understand how bigotry for something you cannot change, in your case race, feels when the ignorant paint you with assumptions and broadstrokes. Trans women cannot change who they are. They do not go into bathrooms to harass women. We go into bathrooms to use the bathroom, same as everyone else. And Crossdressers are NOT trans women and do not use opposite sex bathrooms. Predators who would harm women tend to be very sexist insecure men, and are EXTREMELY unlikely to sacrifice their masculinity by dressing as women just to access women's spaces.
I was arrested and spent a night in jail this past January in PoCo because a security guard decided I didn't look womanly enough, called me a perverted faggot, and called the police. I was violently raped in juvey as a teenager and the entire night in jail I was wracked by flashbacks. The incident, despite being sorted out the next day when I showed the judge the F on my BCID, left me traumatized and afraid to so much as pee when out in public for months. I gave myself a goddamned kidney stone from holding my bladder til I got home rather than just use a restroom. The passage of Bill C-389 would ensure that women like me who are guilty of absolutely nothing except being born with our brains wired differently, (and yes, science HAS proven that MTF Transsexuals do in fact have the biological brain construction of a natal female), from having to risk this kind of humiliation at the hansds of bullies and bigots who mock and ridicule us just for having the courage to be ourselves.
Last weekend was the Transgender Day of Remembrance, an annual day to remember trans women murdered the world over every year. Google Angie Zapata for an example of what women like me risk happening to us every single time we leave the house because we aren't protected under the law.
Imagine if your son or daughter came to you and told you this was who they really were, knowing the danger they will face just by being honest about that. And then remember that all of us, every trans woman, we too are someone's child. And like you, your family, like everyone else, we have the right to be protected by law, and to live with dignity, and to be free from bigotry and harassment just for being who we are.
I am asking you, not as a voter, or a trans woman, but simply as a human being.
Do the right thing. Ignore the fearmongering of religious bigots who bastardize their own faith to make excuses for hatred.
Vote yes on Bill C-389.
Thank you.
Penny Sautereau-Fife, Surrey BC.
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10/20/2010
I Am Purple Every Day
Crossposted on Pam's House Blend
It's no secret to those that know me that I'm a tad obsessed with purple. I own a lot of purple clothing, a fair chunk of my digital art is purple, and I've had my hair dyed purple more than once.
What very few people know is why. And since a well-meaning campaign has declared today Spirit Day and encouraging people to wear purple to raise awareness of teenage GLBT suicides, now seems as good a time as any to tell you all why.
I've seen several examples today on Twitter alone of trans youth being ignored, ungendered, or lumped in unfairly with gay youth and ignoring the different struggles they face. I know gay kids go through a lot of bullshit, yes, but Trans kids have several completely different struggles on top of those, so before I begin, let me remind you, honor EVERY kid in turmoil today. Do NOT gayjack or ungender trans kids by lumping everyone together as if one universal solution will fix everyone's problems.
When I was young, my femininity was not exactly subtle. I knew at age 3 something was wrong. I knew I was supposed to be a girl. I didn't know I actually WAS a girl surgically jiggered at birth. But I knew I was supposed to BE a girl. And every time I expressed femininity I got beaten up.
If I asked to see a Barbie doll at recess, I got beat up.
If I didn't want to join in at sports or play War or Tackle Tag, I got beat up.
If I said I actually liked cooking my own breakfast, I got beat up.
Anything I expressed interest in that the boys saw as even bordering on stereotypically girly, I got beat up.
I ended up suspended from Grade 3 for a week because I admitted to liking Jem and the Holograms, and when the teacher pulled the bullies off of me and said I should expect to get beat up if I was going to be a sissy and not like GI Joe instead, I told him to go fuck himself. I got beat up and yet it was ME who got suspended, because I stood up to a teacher reinforcing stereotypes and condoning the bullying.
When I started to grow breasts, I got beat up.
When I tried to resist my rapists in Juvey, I got beat up.
And every time I got beat up, I waited til the next day. And the next day, when the bruises formed, I saw my only friend, Purple.
Purple, who appeared on my skin to remind me I was different and had to fight to survive.
Purple, who reassured me I had survived another hate fuelled beating.
Purple, who told me I was still alive, that they hadn't broken me.
I love purple. Purple tells me I'm alive. That I'm strong enough to survive the abuse. Purple tells me I'm allowed to be me.
I admire the girl who came up with the idea of a Spirit Day. It's a noble thought, even if some idiots are already distorting her noble idea to ungender trans kids. I wish there were less such idiots and more kids like Brittany McMillan who want to do something positive.
But I'm purple every day of my life. And so should all of us be. Every day should be a day we talk about and support young GLBT folks. ALL of them.
I love purple.
It's no secret to those that know me that I'm a tad obsessed with purple. I own a lot of purple clothing, a fair chunk of my digital art is purple, and I've had my hair dyed purple more than once.
What very few people know is why. And since a well-meaning campaign has declared today Spirit Day and encouraging people to wear purple to raise awareness of teenage GLBT suicides, now seems as good a time as any to tell you all why.
I've seen several examples today on Twitter alone of trans youth being ignored, ungendered, or lumped in unfairly with gay youth and ignoring the different struggles they face. I know gay kids go through a lot of bullshit, yes, but Trans kids have several completely different struggles on top of those, so before I begin, let me remind you, honor EVERY kid in turmoil today. Do NOT gayjack or ungender trans kids by lumping everyone together as if one universal solution will fix everyone's problems.
When I was young, my femininity was not exactly subtle. I knew at age 3 something was wrong. I knew I was supposed to be a girl. I didn't know I actually WAS a girl surgically jiggered at birth. But I knew I was supposed to BE a girl. And every time I expressed femininity I got beaten up.
If I asked to see a Barbie doll at recess, I got beat up.
If I didn't want to join in at sports or play War or Tackle Tag, I got beat up.
If I said I actually liked cooking my own breakfast, I got beat up.
Anything I expressed interest in that the boys saw as even bordering on stereotypically girly, I got beat up.
I ended up suspended from Grade 3 for a week because I admitted to liking Jem and the Holograms, and when the teacher pulled the bullies off of me and said I should expect to get beat up if I was going to be a sissy and not like GI Joe instead, I told him to go fuck himself. I got beat up and yet it was ME who got suspended, because I stood up to a teacher reinforcing stereotypes and condoning the bullying.
When I started to grow breasts, I got beat up.
When I tried to resist my rapists in Juvey, I got beat up.
And every time I got beat up, I waited til the next day. And the next day, when the bruises formed, I saw my only friend, Purple.
Purple, who appeared on my skin to remind me I was different and had to fight to survive.
Purple, who reassured me I had survived another hate fuelled beating.
Purple, who told me I was still alive, that they hadn't broken me.
I love purple. Purple tells me I'm alive. That I'm strong enough to survive the abuse. Purple tells me I'm allowed to be me.
I admire the girl who came up with the idea of a Spirit Day. It's a noble thought, even if some idiots are already distorting her noble idea to ungender trans kids. I wish there were less such idiots and more kids like Brittany McMillan who want to do something positive.
But I'm purple every day of my life. And so should all of us be. Every day should be a day we talk about and support young GLBT folks. ALL of them.
I love purple.
10/02/2010
When A Stupid Choice Outweighs A Deplorable Crime
Crossposted on Pam's House Blend
I'm very sad and angry about the recent spate of gay teen suicides. Two 13 year old boys and one 15 year old boy in the past two weeks have killed themselves because of relentless homophobic bullying. These poor young boys were abused to ridiculous extremes not only by hateful classmates, but by school officials who did absolutely nothing fearing conservative reprisals.
These were children, who, regardless of their actual sexuality, (two were openly gay, one had never said he was or wasn't, and his misguided mother seems more concerned that people are told he wasn't than with fighting what drove him to kill himself), were abused and threatened and harassed and made to feel worthless until death felt like the only option for peace. These are tradgedies, crimes against vcompassion and humanity. They deserve what media coverage they're getting, because homophobic bullying in American schools is an epidemic that has lethal consequences.
While the so-called and extremely erroneously defined "family values" wingnut groups like Focus on the Family and the American Family Association constantly oppose every effort to address homophobic bullying, pulling all sorts of bullshit out of their ass to explain why they are perfectly content to let innocent children die as long as "the homuh-seckshuals" don't get a foothold in schools, these suicides should be a wake-up call to anyone with actual morals and compassion that things need to change in the USA. Once again, it deeply disturbs me that I can brag about Canada's superiority to the USA in yet another area, when our countries should be on par.
As a Canadian, I'm proud that Canada is light years ahead of the States in regard to things like same-sex marriage, gays in the military, equality under the law, and anti-bullying programs in our schools. Things that, to a rational, thinking fair-minded society should be no-brainers. As someone with family and dearly beloved friends in the USA, I'm ashamed of just how far ahead of you my country is.
And while I know a lot of you are going to be seriously pissed off at me for what I'm going to say next, it's the truth, and it bloody well needs to be addressed.
There's one more way that Canada trumps the USA, and it's the one that sickens me the most. Our GLBT groups and our media actually acknowledge the T equally, with fairness and equal standing. When a trans woman is murdered here it makes the news, and the victim is almost never ungendered in said reports, because our media follows the trans guidelines in the AP style book, and our GLBT organizations stand up for the T. Gay men, lesbian women, and straight folks of all kinds came out in proud support of trans women during the Lu's Pharmacy debacle. Trans people are protected under national law, and trans surgeries are for the most part covered in Canada.
Why am I bringing this up because of gay teen suicides in the USA? Because the suicide getting the most coverage is the one that deserves it the least, and all the massive coverage it's getting is repulsively shameful when compared to the almost non-existant coverage of the murder of a trans woman of colour that happened less than 30 miles away only two weeks before.
Seth Walsh, Asher Brown and Billy Lucas were children. They were constantly harassed, occasionally assaulted, and no one was helping them. They felt trapped and alone and lost, and they were desperate to escape. They deserve the media coverage, their deaths are tradgedies, part of an epidemic of bullying.
Victoria Carmen White was a post-op trans woman of colour, young, vibrant, attending college, and living her life. The ONLY local news report that addressed her murder did so thusly;
"Sept. 13, 2010
Newark – On Sunday, Sept. 12 at approximately 5 a.m. Victoria Carmen White, 28, of Newark was fatally shot at a private residence located at 159 Jacoby Street in Maplewood. Information released immediately following the shooting identified the victim as James White.
The victim’s legal name is Victoria Carmen White. Following an examination by the Medical Examiner and further investigation, it has been confirmed that the victim was a post-operative transgender female having undergone sex reassignment surgery. The victim’s birth certificate was legally changed to identify her as Victoria Carmen White.
The case is under active investigation. No other information is currently available."
Post-op, full legal documentation, and STILL the police and the media felt a need to ungender her post-mortum. And this is the ONLY media coverage she's gotten at all not counting a few dedicated bloggers like TransGriot and Questioning Transphobia who've tried to give her a voice in death. Like the three young boys, she too deserves massive media coverage that she's not getting anywhere, to bring to light another epidemic in this country.
Which brings me to Tyler Clementi, and the part that will likely piss people off but is nontheless true.
I feel genuinely sad for his family for their loss. And it does sadden me that another gay man is dead because straight people were idiots. But all available reports, accounts, and evidence shows that Tyler wasn't routinely bullied or harassed like the kids were. He was never relentlessly abused, or made to feel worthless by all his peers while school officials sat on their hands. Tyler Clementi had low self-esteem because his parents were reportedly deeply Catholic, and likely he himself felt conflicted about his sexuality, but the facts are he wasn't routinely bullied or harassed like the kids were.
Tyler was simply the victim of an admittedly cruel and tasteless prank, not of constant homophobic bullying. Tyler was an adult, not a child. Tyler was not trapped in a hopeless ceaseless cycle of abuse, he was embarassed by a video that invaded his privacy. And all evidence suggests Tyler killed himself because he was embarassed at being on public display.
And media across the country is harping on him as if he was the next Matthew Shepard. Gay Rights groups like HRC are loudly publicly demanding his roommate be charged with manslaughter because the video drove him to suicide. They are pushing his story past the three kids now. In most stories currently Tyler is the focal point of discussing the teen gay suicide/homophobic bullying epidemic, and Billy, Asher and Seth end up as footnotes and afterthoughts, mentioned mostly to show there were more than one suicide, while the authors focus on Tyler.
And Victoria? They don't mention her at all. Joe Solmonese isn't loudly calling for her killer to be brought to justice. GLBT groups aren't crying out for more attention to be paid to trans murders. While gay groups demand blood for Tyler, who made a stupid choice because someone embarassed him with a cruel prank, (which at best is worthy of a mischief charge under the law and doesn't qualify for manslaughter, or even criminally negligent homicide), no one is demanding Victoria's killer be found except a few angry bloogers.
An actual murderer is running around free and anonymous with a police force under absolutely NO pressure from ANYONE to track him down and arrest him, but a dead gay white man overreacts to being embarassed and people are calling for blood from an idiot douchebag who played a really stupid prank, who certainly deserves to be expelled from college but is NOT a murderer.
I'm sorry, but the truth is, the biggest tradgedy here is the subtle racism, trans-phobia and complete trans-erasure that has not only relegated three children's deaths to the background to focus on an adult white gay man who made a stupid choice while being nowhere near as beleagred as the three children were, but a black trans woman's murder goes ignored and forgotten completely because hey! A gay white man killed himself because a douchebag broadcast his sex life! That's way more important than some black tranny being FUCKING SHOT TO DEATH IN HER OWN FUCKING HOME!!!!!
Priorities. Canada has them. You folks don't. Give Tyler a rest. Put the focus back on Seth, Asher and Billy. And give Victoria the respect she deserves. Talk about HER death.
And people wonder why Trans folk don't trust white gay men when they want our money and swear they won't throw us under the bus again like they did with ENDA. Fuck you HRC. You don't give a shit about us.
Hat-tip to Gemma Catherine Seymour, as I'd never heard of Victoria's case until someone linked to her blog.
I'm very sad and angry about the recent spate of gay teen suicides. Two 13 year old boys and one 15 year old boy in the past two weeks have killed themselves because of relentless homophobic bullying. These poor young boys were abused to ridiculous extremes not only by hateful classmates, but by school officials who did absolutely nothing fearing conservative reprisals.
These were children, who, regardless of their actual sexuality, (two were openly gay, one had never said he was or wasn't, and his misguided mother seems more concerned that people are told he wasn't than with fighting what drove him to kill himself), were abused and threatened and harassed and made to feel worthless until death felt like the only option for peace. These are tradgedies, crimes against vcompassion and humanity. They deserve what media coverage they're getting, because homophobic bullying in American schools is an epidemic that has lethal consequences.
While the so-called and extremely erroneously defined "family values" wingnut groups like Focus on the Family and the American Family Association constantly oppose every effort to address homophobic bullying, pulling all sorts of bullshit out of their ass to explain why they are perfectly content to let innocent children die as long as "the homuh-seckshuals" don't get a foothold in schools, these suicides should be a wake-up call to anyone with actual morals and compassion that things need to change in the USA. Once again, it deeply disturbs me that I can brag about Canada's superiority to the USA in yet another area, when our countries should be on par.
As a Canadian, I'm proud that Canada is light years ahead of the States in regard to things like same-sex marriage, gays in the military, equality under the law, and anti-bullying programs in our schools. Things that, to a rational, thinking fair-minded society should be no-brainers. As someone with family and dearly beloved friends in the USA, I'm ashamed of just how far ahead of you my country is.
And while I know a lot of you are going to be seriously pissed off at me for what I'm going to say next, it's the truth, and it bloody well needs to be addressed.
There's one more way that Canada trumps the USA, and it's the one that sickens me the most. Our GLBT groups and our media actually acknowledge the T equally, with fairness and equal standing. When a trans woman is murdered here it makes the news, and the victim is almost never ungendered in said reports, because our media follows the trans guidelines in the AP style book, and our GLBT organizations stand up for the T. Gay men, lesbian women, and straight folks of all kinds came out in proud support of trans women during the Lu's Pharmacy debacle. Trans people are protected under national law, and trans surgeries are for the most part covered in Canada.
Why am I bringing this up because of gay teen suicides in the USA? Because the suicide getting the most coverage is the one that deserves it the least, and all the massive coverage it's getting is repulsively shameful when compared to the almost non-existant coverage of the murder of a trans woman of colour that happened less than 30 miles away only two weeks before.
Seth Walsh, Asher Brown and Billy Lucas were children. They were constantly harassed, occasionally assaulted, and no one was helping them. They felt trapped and alone and lost, and they were desperate to escape. They deserve the media coverage, their deaths are tradgedies, part of an epidemic of bullying.
Victoria Carmen White was a post-op trans woman of colour, young, vibrant, attending college, and living her life. The ONLY local news report that addressed her murder did so thusly;
"Sept. 13, 2010
Newark – On Sunday, Sept. 12 at approximately 5 a.m. Victoria Carmen White, 28, of Newark was fatally shot at a private residence located at 159 Jacoby Street in Maplewood. Information released immediately following the shooting identified the victim as James White.
The victim’s legal name is Victoria Carmen White. Following an examination by the Medical Examiner and further investigation, it has been confirmed that the victim was a post-operative transgender female having undergone sex reassignment surgery. The victim’s birth certificate was legally changed to identify her as Victoria Carmen White.
The case is under active investigation. No other information is currently available."
Post-op, full legal documentation, and STILL the police and the media felt a need to ungender her post-mortum. And this is the ONLY media coverage she's gotten at all not counting a few dedicated bloggers like TransGriot and Questioning Transphobia who've tried to give her a voice in death. Like the three young boys, she too deserves massive media coverage that she's not getting anywhere, to bring to light another epidemic in this country.
Which brings me to Tyler Clementi, and the part that will likely piss people off but is nontheless true.
I feel genuinely sad for his family for their loss. And it does sadden me that another gay man is dead because straight people were idiots. But all available reports, accounts, and evidence shows that Tyler wasn't routinely bullied or harassed like the kids were. He was never relentlessly abused, or made to feel worthless by all his peers while school officials sat on their hands. Tyler Clementi had low self-esteem because his parents were reportedly deeply Catholic, and likely he himself felt conflicted about his sexuality, but the facts are he wasn't routinely bullied or harassed like the kids were.
Tyler was simply the victim of an admittedly cruel and tasteless prank, not of constant homophobic bullying. Tyler was an adult, not a child. Tyler was not trapped in a hopeless ceaseless cycle of abuse, he was embarassed by a video that invaded his privacy. And all evidence suggests Tyler killed himself because he was embarassed at being on public display.
And media across the country is harping on him as if he was the next Matthew Shepard. Gay Rights groups like HRC are loudly publicly demanding his roommate be charged with manslaughter because the video drove him to suicide. They are pushing his story past the three kids now. In most stories currently Tyler is the focal point of discussing the teen gay suicide/homophobic bullying epidemic, and Billy, Asher and Seth end up as footnotes and afterthoughts, mentioned mostly to show there were more than one suicide, while the authors focus on Tyler.
And Victoria? They don't mention her at all. Joe Solmonese isn't loudly calling for her killer to be brought to justice. GLBT groups aren't crying out for more attention to be paid to trans murders. While gay groups demand blood for Tyler, who made a stupid choice because someone embarassed him with a cruel prank, (which at best is worthy of a mischief charge under the law and doesn't qualify for manslaughter, or even criminally negligent homicide), no one is demanding Victoria's killer be found except a few angry bloogers.
An actual murderer is running around free and anonymous with a police force under absolutely NO pressure from ANYONE to track him down and arrest him, but a dead gay white man overreacts to being embarassed and people are calling for blood from an idiot douchebag who played a really stupid prank, who certainly deserves to be expelled from college but is NOT a murderer.
I'm sorry, but the truth is, the biggest tradgedy here is the subtle racism, trans-phobia and complete trans-erasure that has not only relegated three children's deaths to the background to focus on an adult white gay man who made a stupid choice while being nowhere near as beleagred as the three children were, but a black trans woman's murder goes ignored and forgotten completely because hey! A gay white man killed himself because a douchebag broadcast his sex life! That's way more important than some black tranny being FUCKING SHOT TO DEATH IN HER OWN FUCKING HOME!!!!!
Priorities. Canada has them. You folks don't. Give Tyler a rest. Put the focus back on Seth, Asher and Billy. And give Victoria the respect she deserves. Talk about HER death.
And people wonder why Trans folk don't trust white gay men when they want our money and swear they won't throw us under the bus again like they did with ENDA. Fuck you HRC. You don't give a shit about us.
Hat-tip to Gemma Catherine Seymour, as I'd never heard of Victoria's case until someone linked to her blog.
7/27/2010
The Predictable Tactics of Beaten Cowards
Crossposted on Pam's House Blend
UPDATE 2- Louis Marinelli has re-opened his blog, and, to his credit, realized how bad it looked to have wiped out hundreds of comments, especially ones that proved his bigotry and deception, and has replaced every single deleted comment unedited, including those which prove what he denies about his motives and actions. I'm a fair woman and will give credit where it's due. While I won't delete the parts of this blog entry about his deleting comments in the first place, because he DID do so, I wwill publicly commend Louis for finally showing he can be capable of honesty once in awhile.
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No one with any modicum of intelligence and common sense believes the lies and distortions spread by the National Organization For Marriage and other allegedly civilized anti-equality groups like it. That's pretty much a given. I don't even need to point out all the abundance of proof out there that confirms the hypocrisy and bigotry that makes them all weepy whenever someone rightfully points it out and calls them bigots. Blogs all over the blogosphere have already dissected them in spades. Blogs like Good As You, Box Turtle Bulletin, Pam's House Blend, (which I occasionally cross-post to), and Holy Bullies & Headless Monsters all have numerous entries completely taking apart NOM's lies, fact-distortions, victim-claiming, and bullying. The evidence is out there.
No, THIS blog is about two specific big-time losers amonst the haters, who challenged me publicly, failed miserably, and tried desperately to spindoctor things to paint me as an emotional homofacsist who couldn't beat their arguments and resorted to screaming obscenities at them.
Of course since both men in question deleted major chunks of our conversation in history in their respective, (but far from respectable) blogs, they certainly can't prove that claim.
The two men, (and I use that term very loosely given their behavior), in question are self-proclaimed then vehemently denied NOM strategist Louis J Marinelli, and generally ignored and unheard of hate blogger and self-proclaimed hetero-separatist Carl Morris, AKA Mantronikk.
Both men are passionate bigots, hatemongers spreading fear through lies and distortions, both of whom swear up and down they aren't bigots or haters or liars but just good honest men fighting to protect traditional marriage from selfish gay folks. They don't HATE us mind you, they just expect us to believe their beliefs have more weight to define marriage law than true civil equality does.
I will pause for a moment while you all get your maniacal laughter under control.
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Okay, now that we've all laughed at the silly whining little bullies claims of persecution, let's get to the meat of things.
Both of these men have, in their arrogance, publicly challenged me, (why I don't know, Pam or Alvin or Timothy are FAR more famous and could get the little weasels a LOT more press than an obscure paegan blogger like me ever could), to a debate (Carl) and to prove dishonesty (Louis). Both men were convinced of their superiority. Both men failed, BIG time.
First of all, as I said in my update last night to my last blog entry, Carl proved very clearly, in his own words, on his own blog, and in the comments of said last blog entry of mine, that, while publicly challenging me to a mature intelligent debate over marriage equality, his only real goal was to attempt to goad me into screaming at him so he could dismiss me as a nutjob with no valid points.
He of course failed miserably. Instead of freaking out on him, I continued to post, calmly pointing out his hypocrisy, and telling him our debate was on hold until he apologised for unneccesary childish insults like "The She-Man of Hedon" and "The Shemale of Heroin", agree to keep the discussion civil, and I would happily continue the debate. Predictably he tried to twist this into me making excuses to flee the debate in tears because I couldn't refute any of his claims. I once again, on his blog, my blog, and even Louis' blog where Carl first issued the challenge, that I was more than happy to continue once he apologised, and that the debate was on hold only because of his refusal to do so.
Realizing that he could not bully me into playing his game his way, and that he was NOT going to get the big nutjob freakout he needed to discredit me, he posted a blog publicly admitting that he deleted my last three comments, citing my refusal to answer one of his deceitful questions, of course completely disavowing the whole part about me simply waiting for him to apologise, which included me PROMISING to answer that very question once he did so. Like a true collossal failure he honestly believes he beat me while being completely oblivious to how his VERY OWN WORDS prove his bigotry and his failure to even come close to challenging me, let alone beating me. As evidenced by his childish comment to Louis' blog last night.
He followed up with the even more delusional "I've already banned her from my blog. She's all about her emotions and false accusations and name-calling. I think I'm finally rid of her. ". Sorry Carl, but the facts and evidence prove otherwise.
On the subject of Louis' blog, you might notice the comments section in that screencap looks different. That would bge because Louis completely deleted his entire blog's ENTIRE COMMENT HISTORY and switched from the default Google/Blogspot comment system to Disqus.
Except as we all know, Louis isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and his attempts to censor and distort the truth often backfire on him. First of all, I'm hardly the only one who's pointed out the sudden mysterious disappearance of hundreds of comments that wipe the floor with Louis' failed lies and prove his deception and bigotry. Secondly, while he himself has not, and of course will never acknoweldge the deletion, or that any older comments ever existed, (I'll bet money he swears there were no comments on his blog ever prior to adding Dusqus if pressed for a comment), his lack of thorough thought has screwed him once again as it has so many times before.
Ironically, on a blog entry targetting me to begin with. And after deleting his blog's comment history, he predictably forgot to go back and edit THIS blog. Why is that important?
Because Louis used a screencap of one of my now-deleted comments to his blog, proving unequivicobly that comments against his lies did in fact exist prior to yesterday, and that he did in fact wipe them all out like a coward.
Oh and notice how in that first screencap a few paragraphs back how Louis admits, (though for fabricated reasons) that he can't wait to blacklist me? Yeah Louis, censorship is the biggest indicator of a coward. When you cannot with fact or logic refute the facts and logic used to counter your stance, a reasonable intelligent person adapts his stance to the facts. An unreasonable bullying coward distorts the facts until they suit his stance.
Carl, Louis, you are both unreasonable men. You have both been caught lying, and even better, like the idiots you sadly are, you yourselves both confirmed everything I say about you IN YOUR OWN WORDS. You've both publicly said things that, while in your delusional worlds were awesome witty dismissals of me, were in fact only successful in vindicating me and destroying your lies. You yourselves have caused your straw houses to crumble. And all I had to do was confront you with facts that you can't ignore or distort, and you both fell apart like Legos.
Anyone can just point at a hater and say "That is a hateful bigot". But when you can use brutal honesty to trick the haters into revealing their hate and bigotry plain as day in their own words, it's truly a beautiful thing.
Louis' credibility, while never very high to begin with, is now completely destroyed. And Carl's poorly planned attempt to discredit me and get some internet fame at my expense backfired horribly. Both men, through their very own words and actions, have proven them to be lying, dishonest, hateful homophobic bullies. And all I had to do was tell the truth to make them do so.
Louis believes all gay folks are polygamous pedophiles. Carl thinks all gays are facsists trying to destroy society. And both men claim they are neither liars, bigots nor hateful. Louis has tried to dismiss me by saying my marriage isn't real so he isn't obligated to answer marriage questions I ask him. Carl posted this bullshit in response to someone pointing out to him that he was in fact holding the debate hostage by demanding an answer in exchange for his apology.
"I wouldv'e been happy to have an adult debate with the delusions-of-grandeur-having "Shaman," until she spoke to me with contempt. I normally don't play these type of juvenile games, but I'm also not going to wear a tuxedo in a bar fight. The "Shaman" will not answer my SIMPLE question about someone teaching HER kids that homosexuality was wrong without her consent and seeks to distract me from that fact with false accusations of "bigotry" and "hatemongering" and a avalanche of words that still don't answer my simple question. I've gone out of my way to denounce hatred in my manifesto (click on the "h" to see it), the definition of a "heteroseparatist," and my logo, and the "Shaman" comes at me accusing me of hate. She's just mad that I was able to alter ONE letter of her lofty title and add a hyphen and collapse her huge ego. And the fact that she is definitely not a lipstick/feminine lesbian only added to the strength of my improvised-psychological-device. I'm done trying to get through to abusive homofascists, hence the creation of my word/website/blog/concept...heteroSEPARATIST. I don't want to fight anyone, but when I'm cornered and attacked, I'm going to really surprise my attacker".
And yet HIS OWN BLOG offers an abundance of proof that he is lying through his teeth. As I pointed out yesterday, he was juvenile and derogatory before the debate even began, and my so-called contempt was simply my brutal honesty dissecting his anti-gay claims. I suggest checking out the comments I left that he did put through and has yet to delete for proof of this.
But then what can you expect from a guy who cites Peter LaBarbera and his ilk as exoperts on homosexuality?
For the record, here is his definition of a Hetero-Separatist, as taken from his own website.
"heteroseparatist;
a: A person who rejects homofascism, homosexuality, and homophobia.
b: A person, entity, or organization that respectfully declines to associate with any or all divisions of the gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender community, but does not hate, fear, or persecute people that are GLBT.
c: A person who quietly shuns people and environments that are antihetero."
You know that sounds awfully familiar. Now where have I heard a statement like that before?
Sorry boys. You've both failed miserably, and you did so with your very own words and actions. And I'm still here, and I'm still an uppity lesbian, and I will still speak the truth whereever and whenever I can, and none of your lying or bullying or distortions will EVER shut me up.
The only way you will ever be rid of me is death. And even with a terminal illness, I am simply too goddamned stubborn to die.
Deal with it.
UPDATE 2- Louis Marinelli has re-opened his blog, and, to his credit, realized how bad it looked to have wiped out hundreds of comments, especially ones that proved his bigotry and deception, and has replaced every single deleted comment unedited, including those which prove what he denies about his motives and actions. I'm a fair woman and will give credit where it's due. While I won't delete the parts of this blog entry about his deleting comments in the first place, because he DID do so, I wwill publicly commend Louis for finally showing he can be capable of honesty once in awhile.
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No one with any modicum of intelligence and common sense believes the lies and distortions spread by the National Organization For Marriage and other allegedly civilized anti-equality groups like it. That's pretty much a given. I don't even need to point out all the abundance of proof out there that confirms the hypocrisy and bigotry that makes them all weepy whenever someone rightfully points it out and calls them bigots. Blogs all over the blogosphere have already dissected them in spades. Blogs like Good As You, Box Turtle Bulletin, Pam's House Blend, (which I occasionally cross-post to), and Holy Bullies & Headless Monsters all have numerous entries completely taking apart NOM's lies, fact-distortions, victim-claiming, and bullying. The evidence is out there.
No, THIS blog is about two specific big-time losers amonst the haters, who challenged me publicly, failed miserably, and tried desperately to spindoctor things to paint me as an emotional homofacsist who couldn't beat their arguments and resorted to screaming obscenities at them.
Of course since both men in question deleted major chunks of our conversation in history in their respective, (but far from respectable) blogs, they certainly can't prove that claim.
The two men, (and I use that term very loosely given their behavior), in question are self-proclaimed then vehemently denied NOM strategist Louis J Marinelli, and generally ignored and unheard of hate blogger and self-proclaimed hetero-separatist Carl Morris, AKA Mantronikk.
Both men are passionate bigots, hatemongers spreading fear through lies and distortions, both of whom swear up and down they aren't bigots or haters or liars but just good honest men fighting to protect traditional marriage from selfish gay folks. They don't HATE us mind you, they just expect us to believe their beliefs have more weight to define marriage law than true civil equality does.
I will pause for a moment while you all get your maniacal laughter under control.
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Okay, now that we've all laughed at the silly whining little bullies claims of persecution, let's get to the meat of things.
Both of these men have, in their arrogance, publicly challenged me, (why I don't know, Pam or Alvin or Timothy are FAR more famous and could get the little weasels a LOT more press than an obscure paegan blogger like me ever could), to a debate (Carl) and to prove dishonesty (Louis). Both men were convinced of their superiority. Both men failed, BIG time.
First of all, as I said in my update last night to my last blog entry, Carl proved very clearly, in his own words, on his own blog, and in the comments of said last blog entry of mine, that, while publicly challenging me to a mature intelligent debate over marriage equality, his only real goal was to attempt to goad me into screaming at him so he could dismiss me as a nutjob with no valid points.
He of course failed miserably. Instead of freaking out on him, I continued to post, calmly pointing out his hypocrisy, and telling him our debate was on hold until he apologised for unneccesary childish insults like "The She-Man of Hedon" and "The Shemale of Heroin", agree to keep the discussion civil, and I would happily continue the debate. Predictably he tried to twist this into me making excuses to flee the debate in tears because I couldn't refute any of his claims. I once again, on his blog, my blog, and even Louis' blog where Carl first issued the challenge, that I was more than happy to continue once he apologised, and that the debate was on hold only because of his refusal to do so.
Realizing that he could not bully me into playing his game his way, and that he was NOT going to get the big nutjob freakout he needed to discredit me, he posted a blog publicly admitting that he deleted my last three comments, citing my refusal to answer one of his deceitful questions, of course completely disavowing the whole part about me simply waiting for him to apologise, which included me PROMISING to answer that very question once he did so. Like a true collossal failure he honestly believes he beat me while being completely oblivious to how his VERY OWN WORDS prove his bigotry and his failure to even come close to challenging me, let alone beating me. As evidenced by his childish comment to Louis' blog last night.
He followed up with the even more delusional "I've already banned her from my blog. She's all about her emotions and false accusations and name-calling. I think I'm finally rid of her. ". Sorry Carl, but the facts and evidence prove otherwise.
On the subject of Louis' blog, you might notice the comments section in that screencap looks different. That would bge because Louis completely deleted his entire blog's ENTIRE COMMENT HISTORY and switched from the default Google/Blogspot comment system to Disqus.
Except as we all know, Louis isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and his attempts to censor and distort the truth often backfire on him. First of all, I'm hardly the only one who's pointed out the sudden mysterious disappearance of hundreds of comments that wipe the floor with Louis' failed lies and prove his deception and bigotry. Secondly, while he himself has not, and of course will never acknoweldge the deletion, or that any older comments ever existed, (I'll bet money he swears there were no comments on his blog ever prior to adding Dusqus if pressed for a comment), his lack of thorough thought has screwed him once again as it has so many times before.
Ironically, on a blog entry targetting me to begin with. And after deleting his blog's comment history, he predictably forgot to go back and edit THIS blog. Why is that important?
Because Louis used a screencap of one of my now-deleted comments to his blog, proving unequivicobly that comments against his lies did in fact exist prior to yesterday, and that he did in fact wipe them all out like a coward.
Oh and notice how in that first screencap a few paragraphs back how Louis admits, (though for fabricated reasons) that he can't wait to blacklist me? Yeah Louis, censorship is the biggest indicator of a coward. When you cannot with fact or logic refute the facts and logic used to counter your stance, a reasonable intelligent person adapts his stance to the facts. An unreasonable bullying coward distorts the facts until they suit his stance.
Carl, Louis, you are both unreasonable men. You have both been caught lying, and even better, like the idiots you sadly are, you yourselves both confirmed everything I say about you IN YOUR OWN WORDS. You've both publicly said things that, while in your delusional worlds were awesome witty dismissals of me, were in fact only successful in vindicating me and destroying your lies. You yourselves have caused your straw houses to crumble. And all I had to do was confront you with facts that you can't ignore or distort, and you both fell apart like Legos.
Anyone can just point at a hater and say "That is a hateful bigot". But when you can use brutal honesty to trick the haters into revealing their hate and bigotry plain as day in their own words, it's truly a beautiful thing.
Louis' credibility, while never very high to begin with, is now completely destroyed. And Carl's poorly planned attempt to discredit me and get some internet fame at my expense backfired horribly. Both men, through their very own words and actions, have proven them to be lying, dishonest, hateful homophobic bullies. And all I had to do was tell the truth to make them do so.
Louis believes all gay folks are polygamous pedophiles. Carl thinks all gays are facsists trying to destroy society. And both men claim they are neither liars, bigots nor hateful. Louis has tried to dismiss me by saying my marriage isn't real so he isn't obligated to answer marriage questions I ask him. Carl posted this bullshit in response to someone pointing out to him that he was in fact holding the debate hostage by demanding an answer in exchange for his apology.
"I wouldv'e been happy to have an adult debate with the delusions-of-grandeur-having "Shaman," until she spoke to me with contempt. I normally don't play these type of juvenile games, but I'm also not going to wear a tuxedo in a bar fight. The "Shaman" will not answer my SIMPLE question about someone teaching HER kids that homosexuality was wrong without her consent and seeks to distract me from that fact with false accusations of "bigotry" and "hatemongering" and a avalanche of words that still don't answer my simple question. I've gone out of my way to denounce hatred in my manifesto (click on the "h" to see it), the definition of a "heteroseparatist," and my logo, and the "Shaman" comes at me accusing me of hate. She's just mad that I was able to alter ONE letter of her lofty title and add a hyphen and collapse her huge ego. And the fact that she is definitely not a lipstick/feminine lesbian only added to the strength of my improvised-psychological-device. I'm done trying to get through to abusive homofascists, hence the creation of my word/website/blog/concept...heteroSEPARATIST. I don't want to fight anyone, but when I'm cornered and attacked, I'm going to really surprise my attacker".
And yet HIS OWN BLOG offers an abundance of proof that he is lying through his teeth. As I pointed out yesterday, he was juvenile and derogatory before the debate even began, and my so-called contempt was simply my brutal honesty dissecting his anti-gay claims. I suggest checking out the comments I left that he did put through and has yet to delete for proof of this.
But then what can you expect from a guy who cites Peter LaBarbera and his ilk as exoperts on homosexuality?
For the record, here is his definition of a Hetero-Separatist, as taken from his own website.
"heteroseparatist;
a: A person who rejects homofascism, homosexuality, and homophobia.
b: A person, entity, or organization that respectfully declines to associate with any or all divisions of the gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender community, but does not hate, fear, or persecute people that are GLBT.
c: A person who quietly shuns people and environments that are antihetero."
You know that sounds awfully familiar. Now where have I heard a statement like that before?
Sorry boys. You've both failed miserably, and you did so with your very own words and actions. And I'm still here, and I'm still an uppity lesbian, and I will still speak the truth whereever and whenever I can, and none of your lying or bullying or distortions will EVER shut me up.
The only way you will ever be rid of me is death. And even with a terminal illness, I am simply too goddamned stubborn to die.
Deal with it.
6/02/2010
My letter to Peter LaBarbera, Coward of God
(I sent this e-mail 3 days ago. I have not as yet received any response. Pro-Rape and Murder Bible passafes researched courtesy of Evil Bible.
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Somehow Peter, based on your words and your behavior, your underhanded tactics and your one-note defense of those tactics "LALA I can't hear your facts because I';m doing what GOD wants!), I seriously doubt that you've ever actually sat down and thoroughly read the entire Bible. Like all rightwing (not really a) Christian bullies, you constantly parrot a handful of carefully selected quotes you can easily misconstrue while ignoring SO much more you'd never DARE try to justify in today's world, championing a message God never offered to defend deplorable dishonest behavior.
I however, have read the Bible in it's entirity, repeatedly, because unlike you and the fearful naive sheep you prey on with your lies, I prefer to actually educate myself on these matters so I know whereof I speak.
So let me educate you Peter, though I know you lack the moral conviction and courage to hear what I tell you and will very likely reply with smug holier than thou condemnations and your usual twisting of truth into conveniant lies and carefully evading any direct questions by answering questions YOU ask yourself so you never have to honestly answer questions that you know an honest answer to will shoot you in the foot.
So let's learn shall we?
There are 73 books in the Catholic Bible, old and new Testament. Of those 73 books, only 14 contain the actual words of Jesus Christ, and only 7 claim to contain words directly spoken by god.
Of the 14 that pertain directly to Jesus, 12 of those relate the exact same story as told by different people with different points of view.
In NONE of the 14 books of Jesus speaking or the 7 claiming the direct words of God is there ANYTHING that condemns homosexuality. There are in fact only two instances when God or Jesus mention homosexuality at all. Let's first tackle God's only mention.
Sodom was not destroyed because it's inhabitants practised homosexuality. It was destroyed because they were RAPISTS. Bad hosts in a desert city, raping any travellers that passed through, male, female and child alike. That people like you choose erroneously to focus on only the man on man rape is one of the biggest lies your ilk purport. The actual story of Lot makes it very clear that the rapoes the sodomites commited were about power and cruelty, and that when they raped men it had nothing to do with any same-sex attraction but their desire to humiliate their victims by rendering them useless into a woman's role as a man's sexual property. The story makes it VERY clear that the RAPE was what God abhorred, and that the victims of that rape were indiscriminate. Women and children were also raped, but people like you go out of your way to ignore this fact and try falsely to paint it as a story specifically condemning homosexuality when it is nothing of the sort. Why? Because if you acknowledge that it was RAPE God condemned, you give up some of your male privilege by having to acknowledge publicly that God did NOT intend for women to belong to men quite so implicitly, and that women do indeed have a God-Given RIGHT to reject a man's unwanted advances.
Now, let's look at Jesus. Jesus taught social justice, tolerance, acceptance. He taught that it was NOT for man to judge his fellow man, only for God. Another fact you conveniently forget in your hubris of claiming to do God's work. And the only time Jesus ever touched on homosexuality was when his disciple Paul thrice brought it up. Paul, much like many people suspect you to be, was a misogynistic self-hating homosexual. His writings frequently dismiss women as inferior while he laments the thorn in his heart. Three times he asked Jesus to remove the thorn, and always Jesus refused him, because there was nothing wrong with Paul living exactly as God had made him.
Yes Pete, that's JESUS CHRIST his damn self saying "God MADE Paul Gay and there is no sin in it". And Paul refused to accept the word of his Lord and lived a lonely miserable and bitter life, attacking others for his own flaws and treating women like the floor he walked upon.
Now, let'sexamine the other major Bible quote you and your type just love to beat into the ground. That nasty little Leviticus quote.
First of all, let's look at the English language. In the 1500's when the Bible was first translated into English, the words Lie and Lay were NOT interchangable as they have become today. Lay meant only to lay down, and Lie meant only to be dishonest. This is a VERY important distinction because if you know this INDISPUTABLE fact of language, (Lie did not come to have it's double meaning until early in the 20th century, beginning in the Depression with the garbled slang of the uneducated poor), then the meaning of the quote you bleat so much is changed entirely.
Keeping also in mind that King Leviticus was clearly a bitter obsessive misogynest who like so many writers of the Bible believed women were not even people and existed to be the sexual property of men at men's whim, the quote,
"Thou shall not lie with man as thou lie with women, for it is an abomination",
A quote that you insist is a condemnation of gay men, has nothing at all to do with gayness or sex. It's about dishonesty. It's the Bible's version of "Bros before hos dude!". The quote means simply since women are just property, lie to them all you like, but never to your fellow man.
Oh and one final very important note about King Leviticus; He was just a man, and never claimed to be speaking for God. He just lied and claimed to personally know what God supposedly told Moses so his people would fear him and obey. The laws and rules Leviticus spoke oif were his own, NOT God's. God clearly never wished for woman to be subjugated by men.
On to lesbians. Never mentioned once. Anywhere. NOT ONE SINGLE MENTION. Therefore God has no opinion about us at all. And as for Trans folk? Your own Namesake Peter. The APOSTLE Peter. He speaks of eunichs who act as if women and he does so with kindness and compassion. Such a pity you're too much the shallow bullying coward to live up to the sainted apostle for whom you were named.
Oh, one last lesson. Your "Sanctity of Marriage" crap? Not according to the Bible.
Mary and Joseph were not married.
Joseph of the coat of many colors had 4 wives, only one of whom he had any actual intimate feelings for.
King Solomon bedded his two own daughters.
Marriage in the Bible is frequently depicted as a business arrangement, and many loving couples in the Bible were not in fact married. The sanctity of marriage is something the Church made up in direct contrast to the Bible to give men a greater hold over their wives.
What's next? Ah yes. Why don't you ever talk about other things the Bible commands? Such as a father's right to sell his daughter into sexual slavery? Or stone your neighbor to death if he works on the Sabbath? Or how wearing clothing made of any MIXED FABRICS is a greivous sin? I've seen some of the cheap suits you wear Petey, you're certainly guilty of THAT one.
In closing, let me give you a few Bible Verses you ought to go read RIGHT NOW. If you claim to truly be a God-Fearing Christian, go and read what the BIBLE condones, and then tell me how much of it you really want to believe is God's idea.
Bible condoned RAPE.
Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)
Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
(Notice a running theme here being that all these writers are claiming that these deplorable acts are God's wishes. Funny how you never bring up THESE kinds of Bible passages so clearly pro-rape/slavery/theft/murder, but always cite quotes that I've proven have NOTHING to do with what you think they do)
Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)
God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
God-Approved Murder (At least according to the Bible)
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents 1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. 1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets 1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) (Hey! That one applies to folks like you who swore the earth would swallow us whole should Gay marriage ever be condoned. Funny, still waiting on that one.)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Funny how many of those murder rules are from Leviticus. And yet you harp on the lie quote ceaselessly. Why do you NEVER discuss all his other decrees? I know why. Because if you truly believed this was GOD'S word, you know you yourself would be worthy of death in God's eyes, as there is NO way you haven't committed at least one of these sins. This above all else proves what a cowardly hypocrite you truly are. You are likely gay and hate it, so you attack other gays falsely in the name of God by using blatant lies and distortions to convince foolish people too afraid to read for themselves to send you money. You sir, are a thief, a liar, a blasphemer, and are most certainly garaunteed a place in the lake of fire for your deplorable misdeeds.
Homosexuality is not condemned by God or Christ but by small fearful cowardly misogynist men like you. It exists in Nature, not just in humans, but in thousands of species, as a population control tool.
I of course, based on your history, fully expect you to either ignore my letter completely, or respond by ignoring any point you cannot argue away and instead insisting my being a lesbian ssomehow automatically negates all these TRUTHS I've offered you because I'm somehow rejecting God. You will blatantly ignore every fact and Bible truth that undermines your hateful position as if they don't exist, and repeat at me your tired nonsense drawn from things that actually DON'T exist.
I dare you to surprise me Peter. Instead of doing as I predict you will, show me there's some trace of intelligence and honesty in that shrivelled hateful black hole you call a soul. Tell me you realize your mistakes and admit openly to all the lies and distortions you spread in God's name falsely.
But you won't, because God is not with you, and you will be as predictable as always and prove your worthlessness in God's eyes by insisting truth and facts are wrong and your lies and distortions are God's wishes and never directly addressing your crimes.
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Somehow Peter, based on your words and your behavior, your underhanded tactics and your one-note defense of those tactics "LALA I can't hear your facts because I';m doing what GOD wants!), I seriously doubt that you've ever actually sat down and thoroughly read the entire Bible. Like all rightwing (not really a) Christian bullies, you constantly parrot a handful of carefully selected quotes you can easily misconstrue while ignoring SO much more you'd never DARE try to justify in today's world, championing a message God never offered to defend deplorable dishonest behavior.
I however, have read the Bible in it's entirity, repeatedly, because unlike you and the fearful naive sheep you prey on with your lies, I prefer to actually educate myself on these matters so I know whereof I speak.
So let me educate you Peter, though I know you lack the moral conviction and courage to hear what I tell you and will very likely reply with smug holier than thou condemnations and your usual twisting of truth into conveniant lies and carefully evading any direct questions by answering questions YOU ask yourself so you never have to honestly answer questions that you know an honest answer to will shoot you in the foot.
So let's learn shall we?
There are 73 books in the Catholic Bible, old and new Testament. Of those 73 books, only 14 contain the actual words of Jesus Christ, and only 7 claim to contain words directly spoken by god.
Of the 14 that pertain directly to Jesus, 12 of those relate the exact same story as told by different people with different points of view.
In NONE of the 14 books of Jesus speaking or the 7 claiming the direct words of God is there ANYTHING that condemns homosexuality. There are in fact only two instances when God or Jesus mention homosexuality at all. Let's first tackle God's only mention.
Sodom was not destroyed because it's inhabitants practised homosexuality. It was destroyed because they were RAPISTS. Bad hosts in a desert city, raping any travellers that passed through, male, female and child alike. That people like you choose erroneously to focus on only the man on man rape is one of the biggest lies your ilk purport. The actual story of Lot makes it very clear that the rapoes the sodomites commited were about power and cruelty, and that when they raped men it had nothing to do with any same-sex attraction but their desire to humiliate their victims by rendering them useless into a woman's role as a man's sexual property. The story makes it VERY clear that the RAPE was what God abhorred, and that the victims of that rape were indiscriminate. Women and children were also raped, but people like you go out of your way to ignore this fact and try falsely to paint it as a story specifically condemning homosexuality when it is nothing of the sort. Why? Because if you acknowledge that it was RAPE God condemned, you give up some of your male privilege by having to acknowledge publicly that God did NOT intend for women to belong to men quite so implicitly, and that women do indeed have a God-Given RIGHT to reject a man's unwanted advances.
Now, let's look at Jesus. Jesus taught social justice, tolerance, acceptance. He taught that it was NOT for man to judge his fellow man, only for God. Another fact you conveniently forget in your hubris of claiming to do God's work. And the only time Jesus ever touched on homosexuality was when his disciple Paul thrice brought it up. Paul, much like many people suspect you to be, was a misogynistic self-hating homosexual. His writings frequently dismiss women as inferior while he laments the thorn in his heart. Three times he asked Jesus to remove the thorn, and always Jesus refused him, because there was nothing wrong with Paul living exactly as God had made him.
Yes Pete, that's JESUS CHRIST his damn self saying "God MADE Paul Gay and there is no sin in it". And Paul refused to accept the word of his Lord and lived a lonely miserable and bitter life, attacking others for his own flaws and treating women like the floor he walked upon.
Now, let'sexamine the other major Bible quote you and your type just love to beat into the ground. That nasty little Leviticus quote.
First of all, let's look at the English language. In the 1500's when the Bible was first translated into English, the words Lie and Lay were NOT interchangable as they have become today. Lay meant only to lay down, and Lie meant only to be dishonest. This is a VERY important distinction because if you know this INDISPUTABLE fact of language, (Lie did not come to have it's double meaning until early in the 20th century, beginning in the Depression with the garbled slang of the uneducated poor), then the meaning of the quote you bleat so much is changed entirely.
Keeping also in mind that King Leviticus was clearly a bitter obsessive misogynest who like so many writers of the Bible believed women were not even people and existed to be the sexual property of men at men's whim, the quote,
"Thou shall not lie with man as thou lie with women, for it is an abomination",
A quote that you insist is a condemnation of gay men, has nothing at all to do with gayness or sex. It's about dishonesty. It's the Bible's version of "Bros before hos dude!". The quote means simply since women are just property, lie to them all you like, but never to your fellow man.
Oh and one final very important note about King Leviticus; He was just a man, and never claimed to be speaking for God. He just lied and claimed to personally know what God supposedly told Moses so his people would fear him and obey. The laws and rules Leviticus spoke oif were his own, NOT God's. God clearly never wished for woman to be subjugated by men.
On to lesbians. Never mentioned once. Anywhere. NOT ONE SINGLE MENTION. Therefore God has no opinion about us at all. And as for Trans folk? Your own Namesake Peter. The APOSTLE Peter. He speaks of eunichs who act as if women and he does so with kindness and compassion. Such a pity you're too much the shallow bullying coward to live up to the sainted apostle for whom you were named.
Oh, one last lesson. Your "Sanctity of Marriage" crap? Not according to the Bible.
Mary and Joseph were not married.
Joseph of the coat of many colors had 4 wives, only one of whom he had any actual intimate feelings for.
King Solomon bedded his two own daughters.
Marriage in the Bible is frequently depicted as a business arrangement, and many loving couples in the Bible were not in fact married. The sanctity of marriage is something the Church made up in direct contrast to the Bible to give men a greater hold over their wives.
What's next? Ah yes. Why don't you ever talk about other things the Bible commands? Such as a father's right to sell his daughter into sexual slavery? Or stone your neighbor to death if he works on the Sabbath? Or how wearing clothing made of any MIXED FABRICS is a greivous sin? I've seen some of the cheap suits you wear Petey, you're certainly guilty of THAT one.
In closing, let me give you a few Bible Verses you ought to go read RIGHT NOW. If you claim to truly be a God-Fearing Christian, go and read what the BIBLE condones, and then tell me how much of it you really want to believe is God's idea.
Bible condoned RAPE.
Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)
Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
(Notice a running theme here being that all these writers are claiming that these deplorable acts are God's wishes. Funny how you never bring up THESE kinds of Bible passages so clearly pro-rape/slavery/theft/murder, but always cite quotes that I've proven have NOTHING to do with what you think they do)
Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)
God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
God-Approved Murder (At least according to the Bible)
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents 1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. 1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets 1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) (Hey! That one applies to folks like you who swore the earth would swallow us whole should Gay marriage ever be condoned. Funny, still waiting on that one.)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Funny how many of those murder rules are from Leviticus. And yet you harp on the lie quote ceaselessly. Why do you NEVER discuss all his other decrees? I know why. Because if you truly believed this was GOD'S word, you know you yourself would be worthy of death in God's eyes, as there is NO way you haven't committed at least one of these sins. This above all else proves what a cowardly hypocrite you truly are. You are likely gay and hate it, so you attack other gays falsely in the name of God by using blatant lies and distortions to convince foolish people too afraid to read for themselves to send you money. You sir, are a thief, a liar, a blasphemer, and are most certainly garaunteed a place in the lake of fire for your deplorable misdeeds.
Homosexuality is not condemned by God or Christ but by small fearful cowardly misogynist men like you. It exists in Nature, not just in humans, but in thousands of species, as a population control tool.
I of course, based on your history, fully expect you to either ignore my letter completely, or respond by ignoring any point you cannot argue away and instead insisting my being a lesbian ssomehow automatically negates all these TRUTHS I've offered you because I'm somehow rejecting God. You will blatantly ignore every fact and Bible truth that undermines your hateful position as if they don't exist, and repeat at me your tired nonsense drawn from things that actually DON'T exist.
I dare you to surprise me Peter. Instead of doing as I predict you will, show me there's some trace of intelligence and honesty in that shrivelled hateful black hole you call a soul. Tell me you realize your mistakes and admit openly to all the lies and distortions you spread in God's name falsely.
But you won't, because God is not with you, and you will be as predictable as always and prove your worthlessness in God's eyes by insisting truth and facts are wrong and your lies and distortions are God's wishes and never directly addressing your crimes.
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